NC Representative admits to "hate" remark

NC Representative admits to "hate" remark

by SouthernFriedInfidel Published on October 22nd, 2008, 4:36 am Rift: News

"Liberals hate real Americans," local boy Robin Hayes was quoted from a recent McCain rally. He denied saying it when initially questioned, but had to admit the truth when they played a recording of his own voice for him. He then said it was a slip... that he had actually been trying to keep the crowd respectful.

It's slips like this that make one wonder. Just like when several years ago, an opponent accidentally called openly gay representative Barney Frank "Barney Fag." The first thought that occurs to me as a listener is "does he think those words in private... so often, perhaps, that it slips out when he least expects it?"

These people need to be careful. They are playing with a fire that can bring an entire nation to tragedy.

[Matt]

"Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God."

While hate is way too strong a word, it's not far off from the libs on this forum. Very anti big business and very anti religion.

[C. Alice]

"Liberals hate real Americans," local boy Robin Hayes was quoted from a recent McCain rally. He denied saying it when initially questioned, but had to admit the truth when they played a recording of his own voice for him. He then said it was a slip... that he had actually been trying to keep the crowd respectful.

It's slips like this that make one wonder. Just like when several years ago, an opponent accidentally called openly gay representative Barney Frank "Barney (expletive)." The first thought that occurs to me as a listener is "does he think those words in private... so often, perhaps, that it slips out when he least expects it?"

These people need to be careful. They are playing with a fire that can bring an entire nation to tragedy.

Oh, Robin and his mouthpiece totally denied he ever said it. Said it was weird that the ONLY reporter who wrote of it was the one from the Charlotte Observer- as in why did the other reporters not mention it if it happened?
Then they played the tape. And he suddenly remembered that his Christian followers had this, uh, written down thing about not lying that some of those followers might be aware of and possibly believe.
Then Hayes admitted having said it.

[BecauseHeLives]

Liberalism with be the death of America.

[Sanjuro]

"Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God."

While hate is way too strong a word, it's not far off from the libs on this forum. Very anti big business and very anti religion.

Good one Matt.

[Matt]

truth is always good.

[Sanjuro]

truth is always good.

Matt, are you baiting or just being purposefully obtuse? What about being against organized religion in govt, not having a religion, speaking out against dangerous ones, or even not wanting a business to become more powerful THAN the govt makes one a non-American?? Or is it simply that you feel people with a different point of view than you aren't "Real" Americans? Or perhaps I'm wrong and you just have a terrible way of expressing your thoughts into words.

I certainly hope you don't start questioning me or my friends on this forum (many who have served in the military and in wars) love of country or their patriotism based on their beliefs Matt. That's as anti-American as you can get.

[Matt]

where did I say it was un-American?

When it comes to how you judge military, firemen, and cops, I do think you are extremely arrogant. You hold them to a standard you are unwilling and unable to maintain yourself.

[Sanjuro]

More to the point of the original post...

This is exactly my point in an earlier post about the danger of 'labels'. When you label someone, you can then demonize them. "Conservative, Liberal, Atheist, Christian" in reality people dont fit so neatly into categories. Yet a label can categorize them and make anyone a target. Its why neither Barack Obama or John McCain will ask for a endorsement of the American Muslim community this year. A first.

Now, when govt officials start putting certain Americans under a category and begin to talk about them not being "true" Americans, we are entering a dangerous time. This is very, very, Nazi esque. When the Nazi party took over Germany the same tactics were used.. then as more people allowed for it, they got slightly more... aggressive.

This is no joke. SFI is absolutely right. We have got to step back, take a breath, and realize that we are all Americans. We are the great melting pot, and we have to accept differences and work together for the common good. That's what makes us great and separates us from Dictatorships and Theological hierarchical governments.

Unfortunately, we have gotten so polarized thanks to pundits on talk radio and TV, that people stopped attacking policy and started demonizing people...good hard-working American peoples... and even started to make up wild unfounded accusations. Very nastily in fact, and this only worked to pander to the worst part of our nature, and enhance fears in many.

This is what must stop. Either we all need to turn them off, or demand a higher standard from these people shouting these divisive things.

[A Person]

"Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God."
While hate is way too strong a word, it's not far off from the libs on this forum. Very anti big business and very anti religion.

where did I say it was un-American?

When you correlate 'real Americans' with those who are pro big business and religious. t

And your statement only 50% wrong, which is an improvement.

[Matt]

I still don't see where I said it was "unAmerican" or "Real American". I don't even see where it was implied by me.

This forum is very much anti religion and anti big business. You're the #1 insulter of anything that has to do with religion. Are you going to try and say you're not?

[Sanjuro]

"Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God."

While hate is way too strong a word, it's not far off from the libs on this forum. Very anti big business and very anti religion.

You stated that the quote in your post was "not far off", meaning you found truth in it. That quote implies quite emphatically that there are people who aren't 'real Americans' (much like Palin's speech the other day) if they don't share the same political ideologue, oh and they are lazy because that they don't work and achieve. The truth is, I know many people (including myself) who work their butts off and achieve quite a bit (not so much me), yet you easily label them "liberal".

The quote also suggests 'real' Americans have a belief in god and the people labeled "liberals" don't. Truth is there are people of all political beliefs that don't have a belief in god and plenty that do.

Then you added in something about big business and religion.. preceded that by labeling people who have spoken out against these things here. You have therefore implied these people (I'm sure lumping me in there too) are somehow un-American.

[Matt]

that's a lot of "could be's" and loose connectors. You can look to interpret the worst case scenario in what I write just as easily as the best case scenario.

But your track record shows you lean toward wanting to find the hidden insult. So I'm unwilling to try and explain it any further.

[Sanjuro]

that's a lot of "could be's" and loose connectors. You can look to interpret the worst case scenario in what I write just as easily as the best case scenario.

But your track record shows you lean toward wanting to find the hidden insult. So I'm unwilling to try and explain it any further.

Matt, it's rather clear actually. The quote from the politician is crystal clear. If you had said "I don't agree with that statement, but think people have been overly critical of big business and Religion" rather than "Hate is too harsh a word but the quote isn't far off..." it would have been different.

Maybe you didn't see the bigger picture of what the quote implied about people being un-American, if not, fair enough I guess. But the other side of the coin also shows that what the quote did directly say about people he labeled as 'liberal' was a very nasty generalization and quite dense.

Remember, you cant have someone be a "Real American", "Real Fan", "Real white person", "Real black person", "Real man", or a "Real Christian" without in the same breath saying there are those that aren't. This is an attempt at exclusivity and being part of 'the club' which is vague at best and quite divisive in its nature (by design).

[A Person]

I still don't see where I said it was "unAmerican" or "Real American". I don't even see where it was implied by me.

This forum is very much anti religion and anti big business. You're the #1 insulter of anything that has to do with religion. Are you going to try and say you're not?

That was the 50% you got right, although since you're now suggesting that I only insult I'll have to drop that to 25%.

To suggest that I oppose big business is fatuous. I have held senior (General Manager) positions in companies that earn more in a week than your employer does in a year. My livelihood depends on big business and my money is tied up in investments in big business. I am heavily dependent on oil, gas and mining, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to work for good environmental stewardship, regulatory controls and fair treatment of employees.

[Matt]

Again, you ask for standards, in writing clarity in this case, of others you are unwilling and unable to maintain.

[Matt]

I have held senior (General Manager) positions in companies that earn more in a week than your employer does in a year.

Brag was a good ole dog. But we ended up having to shoot him.

But your statement could hardly be proven unless you knew who exactly I work for. Which you would have no way since I don't share that info with people like yourself.

[A Person]

Is this something you find acceptable...attempting to violate someones privacy? Please answer directly.

A sales engineer has a web presence, Matt. Although this information is in the public domain I was careful not to post anything detailed that could identify you to a third party and I have repeatedly said that I will not do that.

All I'm 'attempting to do' is to do as you asked and demonstrate that I do indeed know exactly who you work for.

But your statement could hardly be proven unless you knew who exactly I work for.

[C. Alice]

Liberalism with be the death of America.

Good one! I'm calling that as a sig line. Don't worry, I will credit you for it.

"Liberalism with be the death of America." BHL, 10/22/2008

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

Oh, Robin and his mouthpiece totally denied he ever said it. Said it was weird that the ONLY reporter who wrote of it was the one from the Charlotte Observer- as in why did the other reporters not mention it if it happened?
Then they played the tape. And he suddenly remembered that his Christian followers had this, uh, written down thing about not lying that some of those followers might be aware of and possibly believe.
Then Hayes admitted having said it.

Here's one of the things that bothers me about this story -- it seems symptomatic to me of the things that are making America sick.

1) A "conservative" says that liberals "hate Americans."
2) A reporter reports that this guy said "Liberals hate Americans..."
3) Instead of dealing with this fact, the first response is to blame (a common term, not known if this is a quote from the events in this story) "Liberal media" for in effect telling lies about fine, upstanding Americans.
4) The actual recordings establish the quote as a FACT. I recall hearing it on the news on the way home the other day.

Now what I want to know is... how is reporting this FACT biased?

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

"Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God."

While hate is way too strong a word, it's not far off from the libs on this forum.

It's really far off in my case. I care about this country, and I use my freedoms of speech and religion, conscious that while I'm not saying things that some others like... they should have every right I have.

Very anti big business and very anti religion.

So if you could, please explain how being "anti big business" or "anti religion" is anywhere near "hating real Americans" -- if it's not too much trouble.

[Matt]

"Liberals hate real Americans that work and achieve and believe in God."

While hate is way too strong a word, it's not far off from the libs on this forum.

It's really far off in my case. I care about this country, and I use my freedoms of speech and religion, conscious that while I'm not saying things that some others like... they should have every right I have.

Very anti big business and very anti religion.

So if you could, please explain how being "anti big business" or "anti religion" is anywhere near "hating real Americans" -- if it's not too much trouble.

You're right. I mispoke.

You have the right to:

-dig and find personal info and post it anywhere on the internet, just to be an a'hole and regardless of the impact it might have elsewhere.
-be an ungrateful jerk to those who serve in military by holding them to standards you can't hold yourself to
-pretend all is good when your clique does unethical, yet not illegal things, to someone outside your clique
-ridicule, insult, and be arrogant about anyone who chooses to have religion.
-be a fat 300 pound porker and use a skinny avatar
-want to take away money someone has worked hard to earn so those who don't work as hard can skate along
-burn the American flag
-claim any religious figure was secretly a homo
-rag on a President
-blame a political group for all your woes.
-run a forum that invites abuse and ridicule on anyone who is American, has religion, or simply not like you
-cry for protection when the chips are down from a country you have nothing but bad things to say about.
-Say how liberals are unAmerican in a political speech
-Not to vote for someone saying the statement mentioned above.

You are free and have the right to do it all. No question about it. Beautiful thing, ain't it?

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

You're right. I mispoke.

You have the right to:

-dig and find personal info and post it anywhere on the internet, just to be an a'hole and regardless of the impact it might have elsewhere.

Sigh...

-be an ungrateful jerk to those who serve in military by holding them to standards you can't hold yourself to

Not sure where I have done such a thing. I follow the laws that pertain to my job and life. I don't see why anyone else should be exempt.

-pretend all is good when your clique does unethical, yet not illegal things, to someone outside your clique

Again: Sigh...

-ridicule, insult, and be arrogant about anyone who chooses to have religion.

Actually, I try NOT to do this. I try to only insult and ridicule those who earn that reward.

-be a fat 300 pound porker and use a skinny avatar

A man can dream, can't he?

-want to take away money someone has worked hard to earn so those who don't work as hard can skate along

Matter of perspective, actually. I call it paying for the value you get from the government.

-burn the American flag

Um... thanks?

-claim any religious figure was secretly a homo

Never done that, but I'll have to look into it.

-rag on a President

Again... I prefer not to do so unless it is earned.

-blame a political group for all your woes.

Oh... like "liberals"? I hear that a LOT these days.

-run a forum that invites abuse and ridicule on anyone who is American, has religion, or simply not like you

I'll let you take this one up with Liv. I run nothing, except the occasional "instance."

-cry for protection when the chips are down from a country you have nothing but bad things to say about.

Hyperbole doesn't really work for you, mon. Not any more.

You are free and have the right to do it all. No question about it. Beautiful thing, ain't it?

Rights are a very interesting and strange invention of humanity. We're still trying to work out what they really mean. Relax and don't let it get to you...

[Matt]

I don't get what you mean. Those were just examples because you asked for clarification.

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

So if you could, please explain how being "anti big business" or "anti religion" is anywhere near "hating real Americans" -- if it's not too much trouble.

You're right. I mispoke....[/quote]
So I guess it WAS too much trouble to actually in fact defend your statement. Sorry to bother you with such adult stuff.