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Judeo-Christian values? |
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I have a short question... well 2, I suppose.
What exactly ARE these "Judeo-Christian values" I hear being batted around so much every time there's an election? And what exacly makes them "Judeo-Christian" as opposed to belonging to any other group?
Just wondering... 
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 | By Matt
The Voice of Reason and Dissension
Published: Wed Aug 16, 2006 6:13 am
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This is what they have on some signs at the YMCA:
"I am third:
-God is First
-Others are second
-I am third"
Basically I think it means you believe in God. But am sure there's a little more to it.
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Matt wrote:
This is what they have on some signs at the YMCA:
"I am third:
-God is First
-Others are second
-I am third"
Basically I think it means you believe in God. But am sure there's a little more to it.
I would guess so. Especially considering that we so often hear that America was founded on these values... one would think a specific list would come to mind for folks. I know that there must be a lot of detailed ideas on this somewhere, because so many laws are proposed every year using them as an excuse.
So I'll start looking for links and post what sort of stuff I find... many might find such a search most interesting. |
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I have a short question... well 2, I suppose.
What exactly ARE these "Judeo-Christian values" I hear being batted around so much every time there's an election? And what exacly makes them "Judeo-Christian" as opposed to belonging to any other group?
Just wondering...
Darn it to heck! I thought for sure I had found a whole huge archive of essays on Judeo-Christian values:
http://www.dennisprager.com/column.html
But every link I tried to click on the subject (I think he has like 24 of them), turns up "not found." Maybe a subliminable message?  |
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| By Matt
The Voice of Reason and Dissension
Published: Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:55 am
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I got some basic info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian
Of course there is always controversy about it. From that page:
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The term Judeo-Christian has been criticized for implying more commonality than actually exists. In The Myth of the Judeo-Christian Tradition, Jewish theologian-novelist Arthur A. Cohen questions the theological appropriateness of the term and suggests that it was essentially an invention of American politics.
And from this site: http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/221a_47e.htm
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A study of the theology of Judaism that shows why some Jews have denied that there has ever been a Judeo-Christian tradition. They argue that this idea came out of American Protestant liberalism, not out of the facts of European history. This book takes seriously this claim. It reveals the permanent dividing lines between orthodox Christianity and Orthodox Judaism regarding the proper interpretation of the Old Testament.
This is what drives me batty and away from religion. All the religions are hell-bent on pointing out differences and why the others are wrong.
This site bridges the gap pretty good: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0304/prager_2004_03_30_04.php3 I'm not sure why they ommit the "o" when they spell "God". |
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| By Jovick
Religious Expert
Published: Wed Aug 16, 2006 11:11 am
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Matt wrote:
I got some basic info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian
Of course there is always controversy about it. From that page:
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The term Judeo-Christian has been criticized for implying more commonality than actually exists. In The Myth of the Judeo-Christian Tradition, Jewish theologian-novelist Arthur A. Cohen questions the theological appropriateness of the term and suggests that it was essentially an invention of American politics.
And from this site: http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/221a_47e.htm
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A study of the theology of Judaism that shows why some Jews have denied that there has ever been a Judeo-Christian tradition. They argue that this idea came out of American Protestant liberalism, not out of the facts of European history. This book takes seriously this claim. It reveals the permanent dividing lines between orthodox Christianity and Orthodox Judaism regarding the proper interpretation of the Old Testament.
This is what drives me batty and away from religion. All the religions are hell-bent on pointing out differences and why the others are wrong.
This site bridges the gap pretty good: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0304/prager_2004_03_30_04.php3 I'm not sure why they ommit the "o" when they spell "God".
They omit the "o" in God because it is an offense to their religion to destroy the word God in written form. I suppose destroying a web page might fit that description to them. |
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Matt wrote:
I got some basic info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judeo-Christian
Of course there is always controversy about it. From that page:
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The term Judeo-Christian has been criticized for implying more commonality than actually exists. In The Myth of the Judeo-Christian Tradition, Jewish theologian-novelist Arthur A. Cohen questions the theological appropriateness of the term and suggests that it was essentially an invention of American politics.
Yeah, that was sort of what I was expecting -- American politics: is there anything good to be found in it?
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And from this site: http://www.entrewave.com/freebooks/docs/221a_47e.htm
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A study of the theology of Judaism that shows why some Jews have denied that there has ever been a Judeo-Christian tradition. They argue that this idea came out of American Protestant liberalism, not out of the facts of European history. This book takes seriously this claim. It reveals the permanent dividing lines between orthodox Christianity and Orthodox Judaism regarding the proper interpretation of the Old Testament.
This is what drives me batty and away from religion. All the religions are hell-bent on pointing out differences and why the others are wrong.
Well, that's hardly a value found in only the monotheist religions. It's found in pretty much all of them. And the thing that I find most interesting is that each of the religions that build cases against other religions have cases that are pretty much uniformly valid.
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This site bridges the gap pretty good: http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0304/prager_2004_03_30_04.php3 I'm not sure why they ommit the "o" when they spell "God".
As I understand it, they do it for the same reason they don't write YHWH -- it would be taking god's name in vain. I could be wrong.
But bottom line here appears to be that there is no universally agreed upon set of "Judeo-Christian values." Leading to the conclusion that it is a term that is used to fool voters who don't bother to ask questions like "What the heck is he talking about...?" |
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 | By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Aug 16, 2006 12:19 pm
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Judeo-christian values seems to be a catchall kind of phrase.
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| By Matt
The Voice of Reason and Dissension
Published: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:07 pm
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Jovick wrote:
They omit the "o" in God because it is an offense to their religion to destroy the word God in written form. I suppose destroying a web page might fit that description to them.
Really? That's different.
I wonder how do they think writing "God" destroys his name? I ask that in complete ignorance and curiosity. |
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| By Matt
The Voice of Reason and Dissension
Published: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:08 pm
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oh wait.
So if you write it on a piece of paper and then throw that paper away, that's destroying it.
Same as if you delete a web page, you delete/destroy the words on it. |
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| By Jovick
Religious Expert
Published: Wed Aug 16, 2006 1:10 pm
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Matt wrote:
Jovick wrote:
They omit the "o" in God because it is an offense to their religion to destroy the word God in written form. I suppose destroying a web page might fit that description to them.
Really? That's different.
I wonder how do they think writing "God" destroys his name? I ask that in complete ignorance and curiosity.
I should have said that that is what I read somewhere. I can't point to a particular source but that's what I remember reading.
Yes...its strange. I believe that the muslims may hold a similar belief as well. Not sure though. |
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