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Ok Seriously, Lets discuss time travel. |
 | By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Sun Oct 15, 2006 8:08 pm
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No. Seriously. My major argument to the whole "time travel" idea was the lack of being able to go back into time, based on the "faster then light" idea. But this guy in this video I caught off of digg states if we can bend light back around on itself you can technically go back in time. Since time has no beginning and no end.
Alot of skeptics say "well if we are going to invent time travel, then why hasn't anyone come back to us from the future?" But supposedly you have to invent the time machine and turn it on before we'd be able to receive any information. Interesting concept. Hope when they do turn it on, it's not disappointing news. Like Jeb Bush's great, great, grandchild in the White House or something. |
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 | By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Mon Oct 16, 2006 9:33 am
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4097258.stm
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New model 'permits time travel'
By Julianna Kettlewell
BBC News science reporter
The concept of time-travel is laden with uncomfortable paradoxes
If you went back in time and met your teenage parents, you could not split them up and prevent your birth - even if you wanted to, a new quantum model has stated.
Researchers speculate that time travel can occur within a kind of feedback loop where backwards movement is possible, but only in a way that is "complementary" to the present.
In other words, you can pop back in time and have a look around, but you cannot do anything that will alter the present you left behind.
The new model, which uses the laws of quantum mechanics, gets rid of the famous paradox surrounding time travel.
Paradox explained
Although the laws of physics seem to permit temporal gymnastics, the concept is laden with uncomfortable contradictions.
The main headache stems from the idea that if you went back in time you could, theoretically, do something to change the present; and that possibility messes up the whole theory of time travel.
Clearly, the present never is changed by mischievous time-travellers: people don't suddenly fade into the ether because a rerun of events has prevented their births - that much is obvious.
You go back to kill your father, but you'd arrive after he'd left the room, you wouldn't find him, or you'd change your mind
Professor Dan Greenberger, City University, New York
So either time travel is not possible, or something is actually acting to prevent any backward movement from changing the present.
For most of us, the former option might seem most likely, but Einstein's general theory of relativity leads some physicists to suspect the latter.
According to Einstein, space-time can curve back on itself, theoretically allowing travellers to double back and meet younger versions of themselves.
And now a team of physicists from the US and Austria says this situation can only be the case if there are physical constraints acting to protect the present from changes in the past.
Weird laws
The researchers say these constraints exist because of the weird laws of quantum mechanics even though, traditionally, they don't account for a backwards movement in time.
Quantum behaviour is governed by probabilities. Before something has actually been observed, there are a number of possibilities regarding its state. But once its state has been measured those possibilities shrink to one - uncertainty is eliminated.
So, if you know the present, you cannot change it. If, for example, you know your father is alive today, the laws of the quantum universe state that there is no possibility of him being killed in the past.
It is as if, in some strange way, the present takes account of all the possible routes back into the past and, because your father is certainly alive, none of the routes back can possibly lead to his death.
"Quantum mechanics distinguishes between something that might happen and something that did happen," Professor Dan Greenberger, of the City University of New York, US, told the BBC News website.
"If we don't know your father is alive right now - if there is only a 90% chance that he is alive right now, then there is a chance that you can go back and kill him.
"But if you know he is alive, there is no chance you can kill him."
In other words, even if you take a trip back in time with the specific intention of killing your father, so long as you know he is happily sitting in his chair when you leave him in the present, you can be sure that something will prevent you from murdering him in the past. It is as if it has already happened.
"You go back to kill your father, but you'd arrive after he'd left the room, you wouldn't find him, or you'd change your mind," said Professor Greenberger.
"You wouldn't be able to kill him because the very fact that he is alive today is going to conspire against you so that you'll never end up taking that path leads you to killing him."
Greenberger and colleague Karl Svozil introduce their quantum mechanical model of time travel on the ArXiv e-print service.
You can go back and observe the past, but it doesn't appear to be possible to change it. We could get all the history books straightened out at least. _________________ Carl Sagan:
"I don't want to beLIEve. I want to know." |
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 | By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:29 am
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You can go back and observe the past, but it doesn't appear to be possible to change it. We could get all the history books straightened out at least.
And probably quite a few science textbooks as well. _________________ "Has it ever occurred to you that nothing ever occurs to God?" |
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 | By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:14 am
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But if the idea of the multiverse holds true, you could change the past without effecting the outcome of this dimension. |
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 | By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:08 pm
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beth wrote:
But if the idea of the multiverse holds true, you could change the past without effecting the outcome of this dimension.
Each dimension would have it's own time stream, so to speak. A closed system you could say.Altering one system should not affect any other system. |
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 | By Sanjuro
Lacky
Published: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:14 pm
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I'm a huge fan of time-travel sci fi. I think the most fun time travel films were the "Back to the Future" movies and possibly (for pure campiness) the "bill and ted" film. The best serious time travel film was "Primer". I suggest you all who are serious about paradox watch it.
As far as it being a reality, I seriously doubt it. Time is relative. _________________ "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do" -Mark Twain |
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beth wrote:
But if the idea of the multiverse holds true, you could change the past without effecting the outcome of this dimension.
The multiverse theory has nothing to do with this notion of changing the course of events. It discusses the notion of the starting points for multiple universes -- a concept I briefly discussed with one of my physics profs many years ago, and got told it was nonsense. Now, Hawking is working on it and I thought of it 30 years ago!  _________________ Agitators are a set of interfering, meddling people, who come down to some perfectly contented class of the commuinity and sow the seeds of discontent among them. That is the reason why agitators are so absolutely necessary. - Oscar Wilde |
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 | By Sanjuro
Lacky
Published: Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:53 pm
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:
The multiverse theory has nothing to do with this notion of changing the course of events. It discusses the notion of the starting points for multiple universes -- a concept I briefly discussed with one of my physics profs many years ago, and got told it was nonsense. Now, Hawking is working on it and I thought of it 30 years ago! 
Personally I still think its hogwash when talking of a pure 'time travel'. Oh, and where the hell did you come back from all of a sudden?
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Sanjuro wrote:
Personally I still think its hogwash when talking of a pure 'time travel'. Oh, and where the hell did you come back from all of a sudden?
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I finally finished trimming my toenails to my satisfaction.  |
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 | By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Mon Oct 16, 2006 2:02 pm
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I've seen Primer... isn't that where the guys rent the storage unit and build a time-machine in it....
That was a good movie... not as good as the Cube trilogy, (non-time travel) but still good. |
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