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Is it time to tax Churches?

By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:51 am

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Spawned by this, I've often pondered why we don't tax Churches. I think we should. Yes Church & State should be separate, so should the government invading our personal lifestyles, but everyone has to pay taxes to live in this country, and churches should be no different.

There are several reasons to tax churches in my opinion. One, Churches serve a particular minority or majority of the population but not everyone. It is not a service, nor (in general) a benefit to those who don't support the religion.

Secondly what constitutes religion? If Joe the baptist is allowed to set up what is basically a company selling the word of God and get a tax break; why shouldn't I be allowed to set up a church called the followers of Greensboring and also receive a tax break by bringing the word of myself to the public? Even if I could, is this really where we want this argument to go?

The truth is, for every legitimate and in good faith religion, there is another church out there with deep pocketed televangelist and glass super-churches that make the leaders rich, the followers poorer, and can bring an arguably debatable message without having to pay taxes to the government.

I mean should get away with not paying taxes?

I think not.
By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:12 pm

Once the government really starts seeing the church as a source of revenue, their tax-exempt status will be history. If the government needs it badly enough they'll just reach out and take it.
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By Matt
The Voice of Reason and Dissension
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 12:39 pm

I think perhaps ammending the rules would be more effective.

Some balance between what the church provides vs. what it excepts.

To tax all because a bad few is too arbitrary. That's like condeming all gays because a few are bad.

There are many non-profits that do a lot of good that are non-religious afiliated. Should they be fully taxed too?
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By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 3:19 pm

It'll never happen for several reasons. For one nobody is willing to risk political suicide to make it happen. Another is the fact that most politicians (especially democrats) don't want it to happen because then the church's would feel free to discuss politics in the pulpit (which they should be able to do anyways) because they no longer can be threatened with taxation.

If we tax the churches then we should also begin tax the Red Cross, PTAs, and other community programs.
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By meblogin
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:24 pm

Does a tax on churches mean that you want less to go the poor?
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By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:36 pm

meblogin wrote:
Does a tax on churches mean that you want less to go the poor?


I think we could allow certain functions of Churches, deductions, wherein if they gave the money to the poor, they could deduct it from their taxes just as Joe Schmo could. Perhaps that would enable more giving then less.
By meblogin
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:43 pm

Would my contributions to churches be tax deductible?
By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Sun Oct 01, 2006 8:59 pm

meblogin wrote:
Would my contributions to churches be tax deductible?


I don't think your contributions should be tax deductible since it's money you earned, and you should have to pay taxes on your wages, just as the church should on it's earnings. However if you directly intend to submit your contribution to a division of the church already setup as tax exempt, it would make sense "not to tax" the money as it "is" providing a service to the public.

You know how when you sign up for United Way at work, you can allocate where your donation goes? This should be the same for tax-exempt donations versus giving money to build the Crystal Cathedral in California, or an air-conditioned dog house for Tammy Fae Baker's dog.
By meblogin
Guest Columnist
Published: Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:59 pm

or the tens of thousands of great examples ....

I take it you do not believe in God? What are your beliefs?

thanks
By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:05 pm

meblogin wrote:
or the tens of thousands of great examples ....

I take it you do not believe in God? What are your beliefs?

thanks



Agnostic.
By Sanjuro
Lacky
Published: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:42 am

I have to disagree with this. Taxing sanctioned churches should not be allowed. Simply put, taxing churches would give them a more legitimate say in what happens with the government.

Although there is something wrong when you can build a enormous church and infrastructure tax free. Especially when you see where the money that is donated by its followers for charity actually goes. The sad truth is to levy taxes gives a church legitimate voice in matters of the state.

That said, in turn there should be NO religion in government, policy, or law. That means, no 10 commandments in courts, no quotes from the bible or Quran, no religious comments or statues erected, no policies put in place to allow a religious voice, nothing.

You see, we can't have one without the other. I say we respectfully don't tax churches, if they respectfully keep the country's government the way it was meant to be and theocracy free.
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By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:44 am

Sanjuro wrote:
I have to disagree with this. Taxing sanctioned churches should not be allowed. Simply put, taxing churches would give them a more legitimate say in what happens with the government.

Although there is something wrong when you can build a enormous church and infrastructure tax free. Especially when you see where the money that is donated by its followers for charity actually goes. The sad truth is to levy taxes gives a church legitimate voice in matters of the state.

That said, in turn there should be NO religion in government, policy, or law. That means, no 10 commandments in courts, no quotes from the bible or Quran, no religious comments or statues erected, no policies put in place to allow a religious voice, nothing.

You see, we can't have one without the other. I say we respectfully don't tax churches, if they respectfully keep the country's government the way it was meant to be and theocracy free.



Yup. You are correct. Taxing churches doesn't sound too bad now. Smile
By Sanjuro
Lacky
Published: Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:49 am

BecauseHeLives wrote:
Yup. You are correct. Taxing churches doesn't sound too bad now. Smile


Just curious, have you ever even read a history book? If you'd like to put the USA on a fast track to the dark ages and erode democracy than it's that kind of thinking that will get you there in spades.

Why is it so hard for zealots to keep faith personal?
By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:20 am

Quote:
Why is it so hard for zealots to keep faith personal?


Why is so hard for you to tell when somebody is joking?

By Sanjuro
Lacky
Published: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:25 am

^^ My apologies.. so many have responded to posts like that seriously, I jumped the gun. Winky helps to set tone. Wink
By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Tue Oct 03, 2006 10:37 am

Hey... I do that as well sometimes. Wink

On a more serious note you might find it hard to believe that I support the following.

1) I do not want the Christian faith being taught in school. Surprise surprise.
2) I believe that a person has the right to practice their faith in school. I believe that this right is greater than the supposed right of a person NOT to see faith being practiced.
3) I am NOT against preachers teaching certain subjects from the bible in the pulpit even if there are some politicians that that would not approve. There are already instances of some countries presecuting preachers for teaching against homosexuality.
4) I do not believe that churches should be allowed to contribute financially to a campaign.
5) I do believe that preachers should have the right to endorse whoever they want as long as its not done in the pulpit.
By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:27 am

Quote:
Simply put, taxing churches would give them a more legitimate say in what happens with the government.


I hadn't thought about that. Maybe we better leave well enough alone. Mr. Green

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