Religion::
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| By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:30 pm
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An atheist was hiking through the woods.
"What majestic trees! What powerful rivers! What beautiful animals," he said to himself.
As he walked near the river he heard a rustling in the bushes. Turning to look, he saw a giant grizzly bear charging towards him. He ran as fast as he could. Looking over his shoulder he saw that the bear was closing in on him. His heart was pumping frantically and he tried to run even faster. He tripped and fell on the ground. He saw the bear raise his claws...
At that instant he cried out: "Oh my God!..."
Time stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent.
It was then that a bright light shone down upon the man and he heard a great voice from above:
"You deny my existence for all of these years... and now, you expect me to help you out of this predicament? Am I to count you as a believer?"
The atheist looked directly into the light. "I suppose it would be hypocritical of me to ask you
to treat me as a Christian...but perhaps, you might make the BEAR a Christian?"
"So be it," said the voice. The light faded out, and the sounds of the forest resumed.
And then the bear bowed down and spoke: "Lord, bless this food which I am about to receive and for which I am truly thankful. Amen. _________________ "Has it ever occurred to you that nothing ever occurs to God?" |
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| By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:09 pm
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Thats hilarious, and true. I imagine a good number of atheists turn to God on there death bed. It's quite possible I may. Let's hope it's not at the hands of a bear. |
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beth wrote:
Thats hilarious, and true. I imagine a good number of atheists turn to God on there death bed. It's quite possible I may. Let's hope it's not at the hands of a bear.
I've heard many variations on this joke. One has a Christian and an atheist being chased by 2 bears. The Christian asks for his chaser to be turned into a Cristian, the atheist, seeing the miracle, talks to God and asks that his bear be turned into a Hindu.
But on the subject of deathbed convrsions... my mother died 2 years ago and the subject of religion never came up in her final illness. My Dad died Monday morning, and I can tell you that all through his final days, there was no interest in the subject of religion.
I guarentee that very few if any educated atheists have any inclination to turn maudlin in the face of death and consider taking on a superstition about existing forever. _________________ Agitators are a set of interfering, meddling people, who come down to some perfectly contented class of the commuinity and sow the seeds of discontent among them. That is the reason why agitators are so absolutely necessary. - Oscar Wilde |
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| By Matt
The Voice of Reason and Dissension
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:23 am
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:
beth wrote:
Thats hilarious, and true. I imagine a good number of atheists turn to God on there death bed. It's quite possible I may. Let's hope it's not at the hands of a bear.
I've heard many variations on this joke. One has a Christian and an atheist being chased by 2 bears. The Christian asks for his chaser to be turned into a Cristian, the atheist, seeing the miracle, talks to God and asks that his bear be turned into a Hindu.
But on the subject of deathbed convrsions... my mother died 2 years ago and the subject of religion never came up in her final illness. My Dad died Monday morning, and I can tell you that all through his final days, there was no interest in the subject of religion.
I guarentee that very few if any educated atheists have any inclination to turn maudlin in the face of death and consider taking on a superstition about existing forever.
Do we get our money back if your guarantee is wrong?
Sorry to hear about your Dad. _________________ Procrastinate now, don't wait until later. |
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| By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:05 am
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Do we get our money back if your guarantee is wrong?
That's the money question. It takes faith for both religious, and atheists. If either is wrong, there is a consequence. One's in this life, the other is in the next. |
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| By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:21 am
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My sincere condolences SFI.
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| By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:22 am
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You're wrong Beth. Atheists have no need for religious faith. This is a common practice amoung certain groups to project their own beLIEfs and perceptions onto others. BeLIEvers are the ones requiring faith in a deity they can neither see, feel, nor produce any evidence of it's existance whatsoever. I don't need faith "to beLIEve" some one else's deity doesn't exist. Most people, being religious, can't seem to accept the concept of a person not beLIEving in some sort of supreme deity. So they find a way to insert faith in anyway in order to make themselves feel better. _________________ Carl Sagan:
"I don't want to beLIEve. I want to know." |
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| By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:26 am
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RebelSnake wrote:
You're wrong Beth. Atheists have no need for religious faith. This is a common practice amoung certain groups to project their own beLIEfs and perceptions onto others. BeLIEvers are the ones requiring faith in a deity they can neither see, feel, nor produce any evidence of it's existance whatsoever. I don't need faith "to beLIEve" some one else's deity doesn't exist. Most people, being religious, can't seem to accept the concept of a person not beLIEving in some sort of supreme deity. So they find a way to insert faith in anyway in order to make themselves feel better.
That is simply your own opinion. |
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| By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:58 am
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You may not call it faith, but you can't say with 100% certainty there isn't an after-life. Just as BHL and Matt can't say with 100% certainty there is. You put some sort of "trust" or "faith" in your ability to reason and deduce that there isn't an afterlife. |
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| By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:58 am
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You can define faith anyway you want to. It still doesn't change anything. I'm talking about religious faith, beLIEving in things for which there is no evidence. BeLIEving in things that are logically impossible. The world was not created in six days nor was it ever flooded, killing everything but Noah and co. And yes I can say with 100% complete certainty, there is no afterlife. And that last sentence surprised me Beth. You did exactly what I said beLIEvers do and attempted to insert faith where it didn't belong. As I said, most people can't accept the concept. |
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| By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:02 pm
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RebelSnake wrote:
You can define faith anyway you want to. It still doesn't change anything. I'm talking about religious faith, beLIEving in things for which there is no evidence. BeLIEving in things that are logically impossible. The world was not created in six days nor was it ever flooded, killing everything but Noah and co. And yes I can say with 100% complete certainty, there is no afterlife. And that last sentence surprised me Beth. You did exactly what I said beLIEvers do and attempted to insert faith where it didn't belong. As I said, most people can't accept the concept.
Lots of people just can't accept that their opinion is not fact. You gave your opinion and Beth gave hers yet you are railing on her opinion. Is that how a freethinker is supposed to react? |
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| By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:24 pm
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All I'm doing is correcting a misperception. Atheists do not have any use for religious faith. |
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BecauseHeLives wrote:
My sincere condolences SFI.
Thanks. It's been a pretty tough week so far, but the sympathy from so many folks helps a lot. |
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| By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:05 pm
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And yes I can say with 100% complete certainty, there is no afterlife.
How do you prove this statement? What evidence other then the lack of evidence proves it to others other then your opinion or dare I say "faith?" |
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| By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:13 pm
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My Dad died Monday morning, and I can tell you that all through his final days, there was no interest in the subject of religion.
My sympathies. |
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| By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:21 pm
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beth wrote:
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And yes I can say with 100% complete certainty, there is no afterlife.
How do you prove this statement?
I have settled this question to my own satisfaction. |
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| By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:41 pm
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RebelSnake wrote:
I have settled this question to my own satisfaction.
All you've said is that it's "logically impossible."
Logically with our understanding of the world. Yes Impossible. Could we be wrong. Yes.
(Man I'm starting to sound religious arn't I.)
I just don't think anyone, atheist or not should be so sure of themselves they're incapable of considering being proven wrong. |
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| By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:42 pm
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beth wrote:
RebelSnake wrote:
I have settled this question to my own satisfaction.
All you've said is that it's "logically impossible."
Logically with our understanding of the world. Yes Impossible. Could we be wrong. Yes.
(Man I'm starting to sound religious arn't I.)
I just don't think anyone, atheist or not should be so sure of themselves they're incapable of considering being proven wrong.
Beth is becoming a fundy. |
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| By Matt
The Voice of Reason and Dissension
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:30 pm
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[quote="beth"]
RebelSnake wrote:
I just don't think anyone, atheist or not should be so sure of themselves they're incapable of considering being proven wrong.
That's a good perspective.
I'm absolutely sure there no such thing as absolute...except maybe the vodka. |
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beth wrote:
RebelSnake wrote:
And yes I can say with 100% complete certainty, there is no afterlife.
How do you prove this statement? What evidence other then the lack of evidence proves it to others other then your opinion or dare I say "faith?"
IMO, this matter should revolve around evidence. Lack of evidence should result in a lack of belief. And as Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." That should be a common-sense attitude, and hardly something that I would equate with "faith."
With "faith" comes a multiplicity of answers to the same question -- ask people of faith what happens to a soul after death, and every culture has a set of myths and superstitions that will give you "answers." Ask a scientist, or a skeptic, and you'll get the answer "There's no evidence to support such a notion of either a 'soul' or an 'afterlife.' " |
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| By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:41 pm
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That reminds me of the story of a person who took a bunch of various unrelated parts and through them into the washing machine. After running through several cycles the machine was turned off and the person reached in and pulled out a perfectly working beautiful new watch that all of those parts had formed. The chances of that happening are astronomical. Still yet the chances of that happening are much more greater than the chances of human beings, the world and all of the wonderful animals in it being created by chance. |
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| By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:57 pm
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Someone explain to me why I need faith not to beLIEve in someone else's imaginary deity? |
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| By BecauseHeLives
Features Reporter
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:05 pm
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RebelSnake wrote:
Someone explain to me why I need faith not to beLIEve in someone else's imaginary deity?
RebelSnake wrote:
Someone explain to me why I need faith not to beLIEve in someone else's imaginary deity?
OK. Here goes. It takes faith to believe the way you do because you can't "prove" you are correct and you never will be able to. Therefore, you have to believe in something you can not prove. That's faith.
One day though you actually will "know". Hopefully that's in this life and not the next. |
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| By beth
Executive Editor
Published: Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:25 pm
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I think I need to clarify I'm speaking about an afterlife, not a deity. I'm equally capable of saying that my idea of an afterlife may have a scientific explanation and not be related to a creation of some deity. |
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beth wrote:
I think I need to clarify I'm speaking about an afterlife, not a deity. I'm equally capable of saying that my idea of an afterlife may have a scientific explanation and not be related to a creation of some deity.
The same reasoning should apply to both. Until there is evidence that leads reasonably to the conclusion that some part of human life survives death, there is no reason at all to think it might be real. |
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