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By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:13 pm

http://holysmoke.org/icr-pri.htm

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The results of the Christians vs atheists
in prison investigation.

I found it most intriguing that atheists make up only 0.209%. Five tenths of one per cent. I would say atheists are extremely moral people from the figures on this site.


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By royaldiadem
Guest Columnist
Published: Sat Aug 19, 2006 11:40 pm

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"I found it most intriguing that atheists make up only 0.209%. Five tenths of one per cent. I would say atheists are extremely moral people from the figures on this site."


Respectfully RebelSnake;

.209 is two tenths of one percent!

Here's a good Jail study. It's an old one but, I would say the MATH is 100% accurate:

Acts 16
22The crowd joined in the attack against Paul and Silas, and the magistrates ordered them to be stripped and beaten. 23After they had been severely flogged, they were thrown into prison, and the jailer was commanded to guard them carefully. 24Upon receiving such orders, he put them in the inner cell and fastened their feet in the stocks.

25About midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the other prisoners were listening to them. 26Suddenly there was such a violent earthquake that the foundations of the prison were shaken. At once all the prison doors flew open, and everybody's chains came loose. 27The jailer woke up, and when he saw the prison doors open, he drew his sword and was about to kill himself because he thought the prisoners had escaped. 28But Paul shouted, "Don't harm yourself! We are all here!"

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29The jailer called for lights, rushed in and fell trembling before Paul and Silas. 30He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Idea

31They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized. 34The jailer brought them into his house and set a meal before them; he was filled with joy because he had come to believe in God—he and his whole family.

Now for the original post,

Could it be that your 'glasses' are a little clouded by a presupposition that atheists are actually morally good? But how could that be since the -general- atheist does not have a foundation for *morality*? Embarassed

Or could it be that those statistics show that most atheists are converted to Christianity upon spending jail time as they realize they must pay for their breaking of the secular law and then reflect on God's moral law and repent.

Or

There are few atheists altogether.

Or

Atheists just don't admit to an untenable worldview.

Or
<<JOKE>>
there was a mistake in the adding and subtracting by the researcher and the rebelsnakkker.Rolling Eyes <<END OF JOKE>>

Hope to see you again next month, if I am permitted!

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By SouthernFriedInfidel
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:02 am

royaldiadem wrote:

Now for the original post,

Could it be that your 'glasses' are a little clouded by a presupposition that atheists are actually morally good? But how could that be since the -general- atheist does not have a foundation for *morality*? Embarassed


Of course there is a foundation for morality -- it's called common sense. The fact that the writers of every religious "holy writ" claims that they got their moral instruction from God doesn't mean it's so, you know.
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By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:10 am

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.209 is two tenths of one percent!


It was all my computer's fault I tell ya!! If people can blame gun violence on guns, then I can blame computing mistakes on my computer. Embarassed

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Here's a good Jail study.


Quoting bible verses hardly qualifies as any kind of a "study'.

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I would say the MATH is 100% accurate:


I seem to recall the bible is not that reliable when it comes to math.

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Or could it be that those statistics show that most atheists are converted to Christianity ...


C'mon now, get serious.

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Or

There are few atheists altogether.



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Note that atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less in the prison populations (0.21%).


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Or

Atheists just don't admit to an untenable worldview.



And exactly what is untenable about atheism?

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Catholic 29267 39.164%
Protestant 26162 35.008%



If anyone is having problems with morality, it seems to be the christians. At 74.172%, they comprise the vast majority of the prison population. I got my math right that time. Mr. Green

By royaldiadem
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:21 am

Come to Quality Inn and Suites Seneca Road, 10AM for a review of Genesis!

You all are welcome to hear the clear exposition of the creation account and the example of Abram who God regenerated by Faith!

Food & Fellowship too!

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By SouthernFriedInfidel
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:15 am

RebelSnake wrote:

I seem to recall the bible is not that reliable when it comes to math.


Only when it comes to plane geometry, IIRC. I believe the reference is in one of the books of Chronicles. I can provide detailed info if required.

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Or could it be that those statistics show that most atheists are converted to Christianity ...


C'mon now, get serious.


Now this is an interesting point. I seem to recall that population statistics for prison inmates was based on information obtained at the time of incarceration. Is that not the case?

Besides, if there was a "conversion" to a religion in prison (I think most conversions in there these days are to Islam, BTW), how serious would you expect to take it after release? If "converting" gets you better treatment or a more likely early release, just how honest do you expect these folks to be?

By Dusman
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:11 pm

Of course there is a foundation for morality -- it's called common sense.

*Whose* common sense provides the foundations for morality? Hitler's, Pol Pot's, or yours?

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By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 2:55 pm

We get our morality from our environment, our family, the society we live in. It doesn't take an invisible deity to tell me stealing is wrong and killing people may not be a good idea.
By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:16 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

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the proportion of the population that can be classified as Christian has declined from 86% in 1990 to 77% in 2001;


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the greatest increase in absolute as well as in percentage terms has been among those adults who do not subscribe to any religious identification; their number has more than doubled from 14.3 million in 1990 to 29.4 million in 2001; their proportion has grown from just 8% of the total in 1990 to over 14% in 2001;


From what I found here, it seems rather unlikely there would be very many atheists converting to any religion while in prison. The christian population seems to be having problems though.

By Dusman
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:42 pm

We get our morality from our environment, our family, the society we live in. It doesn't take an invisible deity to tell me stealing is wrong and killing people may not be a good idea.

Do you BELIEVE that? ("I don't want to beLIEve, I want to know" . . . . remember?)

Dusman
By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 3:50 pm

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Do you BELIEVE that?


No I don't beLIEve that. I know it.

By Dusman
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:34 pm

No I don't beLIEve that. I know it.

It's good to see that you BELIEVE that you know it.

Dusman
By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:37 pm

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RebelSnake wrote:

I seem to recall the bible is not that reliable when it comes to math.

Only when it comes to plane geometry,



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Moreover, Biblical writers often had difficulty in adding figures, and this instance is no exception. Ezra 2:64 says the whole congregation together was 42, 360, whereas, one need only add the figures to see that it is actually 29,818. Neh. 7:66 says the total number of returnees was 42,360, whereas, the actual number of people listed in Nehemiah 7 is 31,089.


I beg to differ, kind sir. Mr. Green

By Dusman
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:49 pm

You said,

The results of the Christians vs atheists
in prison investigation.

I found it most intriguing that atheists make up only 0.209%. Five tenths of one per cent. I would say atheists are extremely moral people from the figures on this site.


to which it was pointed out by another,

.209 is two tenths of one percent!

Then you said,

I seem to recall the bible is not that reliable when it comes to math.

Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Dusman
By MooseontheLoose
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:11 pm

I am feeling a little left out, no one is answering my post ever since Dusman came on the scene. the mooseisloose. Big chickens, southernfriedinfidelchikens, cluk,cluk,cluk, IT'S A JOKE! COME OUT AND PLAY!
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By MooseontheLoose
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:18 pm

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I got my math right that time

I don't like math either, maybe math don't exist, yea it don't exist so I don't have to do it. Why do I have to believe math? I don't know math, so I don,t believe it! That settles that!

By Jovick
Religious Expert
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:14 pm

These people here are being totally willfully ignorant. They will throw questions at you by the dozens and don't really care about the answers you give them because that was not the intent of their questions. Their sole intent is to agitate but in reality they are only being hypocritical. They really feel like they are correct but don't realize that they are only hypocritical. They are great about cutting and pasting questions from atheistic websites but seem to have little insight into Christianity and discount any attempts of using the bible as a reference to explain it. Heaven forbid that they actually attempt to answer any of your questions. I'll be watching. Good luck and God bless.
By SouthernFriedInfidel
Features Reporter
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:27 pm

Dusman wrote:
Of course there is a foundation for morality -- it's called common sense.

*Whose* common sense provides the foundations for morality? Hitler's, Pol Pot's, or yours?

Dusman


What is so difficult to understand about the term "common sense"?

So you want to also play that idiotic game of "link atheists with terrible mass murderers"? That sounds strange, coming from a guy who looks up to a being he believes murdered a whole world 5000 or so years ago, that gave detailed instructions on how to commit genocide in a "morally upright way" and apparently intends to torture billions of humans for eternity.

But what shall we say about the history of Christianity? What about the murder of Hypatia, the whole debacle of the Crusades, a thousand years of frozen ignorance and plagues that were the Dark Ages, the brazen murders and pillage of the Inquisitions, the genocide of the native American nations... the history of religion-based morality is hardly something to look on with pride.
By Dusman
Guest Columnist
Published: Sun Aug 20, 2006 9:33 pm

What is so difficult to understand about the term "common sense"?

Common sense foundationalism is easy to understand and easy to refute, hence my example. Very Happy

Dusman
By SouthernFriedInfidel
Features Reporter
Published: Mon Aug 21, 2006 5:43 am

Dusman wrote:
What is so difficult to understand about the term "common sense"?

Common sense foundationalism is easy to understand and easy to refute, hence my example. Very Happy

Dusman


Oh... that was an attempt to refute what I said? Well, no wonder I couldn't figure it out. The idea that 2 people would be useful in defining common sense is so pathetic it never occurred to me that anyone would try to use it. Seriously, do you have some problem with parsing the English language?
By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:03 am

Dusman wrote:
You said,

The results of the Christians vs atheists
in prison investigation.

I found it most intriguing that atheists make up only 0.209%. Five tenths of one per cent. I would say atheists are extremely moral people from the figures on this site.


to which it was pointed out by another,

.209 is two tenths of one percent!

Then you said,

I seem to recall the bible is not that reliable when it comes to math.

Matthew 7:5 "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

Dusman



Oh that's really cute. I suppose you've never made a mistake before, have you?
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