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Revelation, the end of time.... |
 | By Sanjuro
Lacky
Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:26 pm
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..Is bullshit... Or happening tomorrow while you're on the toilet.
Please discuss...
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 | By RebelSnake
Features Reporter
Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:32 pm
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I don't think time has a beginning or an end.
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| By Sanjuro
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Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:37 pm
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RebelSnake wrote:
I don't think time has a beginning or an end.
There you go getting all factual and scientific on me Rebelsnake!
I think that a christian would argue the time would go on but it would be bad because all the lambs would be kickin it with J.C. at his place. |
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Sanjuro wrote:
..Is bullshit... Or happening tomorrow while you're on the toilet.
Please discuss...
I vote BS. The book of the Apocalypse was written with complex imagery that was commonly known to Jews for centuries -- the style was known as apocryphal. Daniel, Joel and Ezekiel (among others) were done the same way.
There is no "prediction for thousands of years in the future" stated or implied in any of these books. Of course, that simple fact hasn't even slowed down the folks who enjoy scaring their followers into a frenzy of religious expectations for no reason... other than perhaps to get them to donate more to the church.
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| By Sanjuro
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Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:52 pm
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:
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I vote BS. The book of the Apocalypse was written with complex imagery that was commonly known to Jews for centuries -- the style was known as apocryphal. Daniel, Joel and Ezekiel (among others) were done the same way.
There is no "prediction for thousands of years in the future" stated or implied in any of these books. Of course, that simple fact hasn't even slowed down the folks who enjoy scaring their followers into a frenzy of religious expectations for no reason... other than perhaps to get them to donate more to the church.
The evidence would certainly support this. I'm REALLY interested in what our resident christians, muslims, etc have to say about this and how they are interpreting their doctrine. |
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| By Jovick
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Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 1:54 pm
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| By Sanjuro
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Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:00 pm
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Jovick wrote:
Sure. Its true.
Okay, I'll bite. Which part? |
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| By Jovick
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Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:02 pm
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Jovick wrote:
Sure. Its true.
BTW...SFI.... Are you a member of the UU Church?
I've visited once, but I'm not a member. Why? |
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| By Jovick
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Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:23 pm
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Jovick wrote:
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I've visited once, but I'm not a member. Why?
Just a hunch. Seeing that PFA meets there once a month I figured you might have been there more than once.
Oh that! I've been in the building plenty of times, but I've only attended one of the church's services. Is this germain to this topic, or anything I've said here? |
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| By Jovick
Religious Expert
Published: Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:30 pm
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Is this germain to this topic, or anything I've said here?
No... not at all. I suppose I've hijacked the thread a bit. BTW...welcome. |
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| By Sanjuro
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:55 am
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Jovick wrote:
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Okay, I'll bite. Which part?
All the bible is true.
So you agree it was referring to events as HanShotJFK pointed out or do you hold the common belief that it was referring to the downfall of the Roman Empire?
HanShotJFK is right, nothing points to it being about an 'end of all time' thousands of years in the future, and there is strong evidence to support other ideas.
Thoughts? |
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Jovick wrote:
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Okay, I'll bite. Which part?
All the bible is true.
Quite a sweeping statement. And using the word "true" there will get you into some trouble... "truth" being an extremely slippery term. For instance, are you saying that the Bible is true in a literal sense, or as an allegory? Is it scientifically true, or metaphysically true, in your opinion? Or what? |
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| By serendipityx7
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:48 pm
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Everything in the Bible is true. Now, Revelation and other books in the Bible are told in a "story" type sense. Doesn't make it any less true. I wholely believe we are in the end times. This could last til tomorrow, a minute from now, or another 1000 years.
Its up to the rest of us to live our life how we see fit. I'm here to tell everyone that if you don't live it according to the Bible, you'll be held in judgement on judgement day. |
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| By Sanjuro
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:52 pm
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Finally, Jovick has a playmate. Welcome aboard serendipityx7. I doubt we will agree on anything religious, but I certainly welcome your input. |
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| By Jovick
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:03 pm
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Yay....
Welcome serendipityx7. Now there are two of us in the Lion's den. |
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| By RebelSnake
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:15 pm
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Everything in the Bible is true.
So you agree then that god punishes the innocent for the crimes of the guilty. |
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| By Jovick
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:19 pm
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| By RebelSnake
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:48 pm
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Nope. He doesn't punish the innocent at all.
Aw c'mon Jovick. We've already been down this road. Exodus 34:7 remember? |
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Jovick wrote:
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So you agree then that god punishes the innocent for the crimes of the guilty.
Nope. He doesn't punish the innocent at all.
That's not what the Bible says. Please read Exodus, Numbers, 1 Samuel, 2 Samuel... and pretty much all of the rest of the Bible. I'll provide specific references if you're still mystified after doing your homework.  |
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| By Jovick
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:59 pm
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| By serendipityx7
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:12 pm
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Daniel survived the lion's den, I'm pretty sure I can as well. 
I enjoy debating about all sorts of topics. I'm often on the right-wing side. I don't get miffed unless the debate turns personal. I enjoy debating with respectful debaters. 
Okay, back to the original topic. |
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| By RebelSnake
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Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:33 pm
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7 maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation."
He punishes son, he punishes. |
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| By serendipityx7
Guest Columnist
Published: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:51 pm
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RebelSnake, where does that come from?
Old Testament or New? The Old Testament is the Old covenant between God and Man. The new testament is the New coventant between God and Man.
Now, its not to say that the Old testament is false, its just not something we live by today (not all of it). Otherwise we'd still be offering sacrifices, which we don't...Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice for our sin. |
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