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Postby Sanjuro » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:27 pm

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Wall-E is Pixar's latest offering and it is the humble opinion of this reviewer, that it is the finest and most fully realized picture to date. Thank the cinema gods that Disney has kept their nasty little hands out of Pixar's creativity and instead, simply distributed their work. Otherwise, we would have lost THE best production company in the USA. One side-note... I feel the need to preface this review and submit that the characterizations, sound design, and Wall-E's voice was done by an acquaintance of mine. This however had no bearing on this review as I thought the last movie he did sucked. :D

That said, on with my spoiler free review.

Wall-E is many things and it is very hard to describe. It leads you down one path, almost sets you up to expect certain things, then takes unexpected turns. Wall-E is without a doubt the most beautiful of all the Pixar films, and the best looking movie to come out this year so far (live action or animated). There are vistas and shots that are simply gorgeous. I could easily grab any number of frames and hang it on a wall as art. One could even argue the landscape is a character in itself. The level of detail and color complexity is simply staggering. I had tears in my eye many times in this picture. Twice due to the story, and twice due to the sheer beauty of what was on screen. I BEG you to see it in a Digital projection theater. This thing will be murdered when the colors and detail are stripped for DVD.

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Wall-E's story is somewhat of an odd bird. It is set in the distant future. 700 years have lapsed since mankind left the Earth so it can be tidied up by a bunch of robots. The problem was, the job wasn't done and all of them have been deactivated aside from one (Wall-E naturally). We join Wall-E as he follows his "Directive".. busying himself gathering trash, compacting it, and stacking it for a retrieval that will never come. After 700 years of doing this one can imagine the amount that he has accomplished.

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As a matter of fact in these first few scenes we can see that not only has Wall-E done his job well, he seems to have stumbled upon a creative way of making the redundant artistic. Perhaps this was meant to show (without exposition) how that first spark of individuality creeped into Wall-E's programming. Or perhaps, it was sparked by some other event and this was the product. But however it happened, we gradually find out two things about Wall-E. First, that he has individuality and consciousness, and second, this evolution has made him realize how lonely he is. As we, the audience, act as voyeurs into little Wall-E's world we are given this sense of isolation only through the many shots and sounds of the film. We see that although the world is derelict, he has made it his home and we get access to Wall-Es ideals of the Utopian world as played out through the most prized possession in his bric-a-brac collection: a videocassette of "Hello Dolly", and throughout this first half of the picture we hear whispers of events hinting at the dystropian world we will see later. The first half of the movie is incredibly well done. I was about 20 minutes into it when i realized I had heard no major dialogue aside from background. The film just pulls you in and you never notice it until you finally DO hear a voice and its quite startling..

Wall-E on the surface is simply a great picture. What you don't know yet is that it is one of the best Science Fiction movies to come out since, well, I don't know when. It has a tremendous scale and there are moments of wonder which I still think about. "The call to adventure" is the moment in a story where the main character, steps from out of the world that is familiar and into the unknown. Luke Skywalker did it, Ulysses did it, and Dorothy did it. This is actually a great analogy when I think about it. The scene where Wall-E is whisked from his world into the complete unknown is very Wizard of oz. Even on to his arrival and who he meets there in the "clouds".
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This story borrows a lot from other greats. It pays homage to ET, Short Circuit, 2001 (heavily), Star Wars, Silent Running, Buster Keaton films, etc. This is probably what keeps me from declaring this film an utter masterpiece actually. I'm not yet convinced one can reference other masterpieces and be considered a masterpiece in itself. The bottom line is that the story is so good, so universal, so touching, that it stands on its own quite well and this makes the references seem like a love note to these great pictures.

The trailers gave nothing away. I'm SO happy they seemed to only use scenes from the first half of the movie. There were so many surprises and delights to be found. No character was underdeveloped (thanks in large part to Ben Burtt). The movie had themes and had messages, but it was never ever preachy. Amongst the themes are these.. love, personal responsibility, and self sacrifice. Damn good stuff. That, and you just want to hug the damn little bot. His personality is the picture's absolute powerhouse.

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I SO BADLY want to go further into this, but I cant. This is one that doesn't need to be spoiled, perhaps I'll write a spoiler filled review and really dig deep into it, but not in this article... I want to talk about the use of color ... the warm tones of the earth, and the cool tones where Wall-E ends up.... I want to talk about the wonders of what they find, I want to talk about how through it all Wall-E always takes time to "smell the flowers", I want to mention the simple statements the characters make.... that have deep meaning and metaphor when you revisit it in context... and how this movie has one of the best morals for our time. This is the movie our apathetic society needs to see.. right here and right now.

Now "get off your ass" and go see it. ;-)
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Postby SouthernFriedInfidel » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:52 pm

Sanjuro wrote:I BEG you to see it in a Digital projection theater. This thing will be murdered when the colors and detail are stripped for DVD.

As I start to read this, the question comes up immediately... which theater(s) in the area are doing this "digital projection' of which you speak? I don't want to miss out if I can avoid it.
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Postby SouthernFriedInfidel » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:01 pm

Sanjuro wrote: This story borrows a lot from other greats. It pays homage to ET, Short Circuit, 2001 (heavily), Star Wars, Silent Running, Buster Keaton films, etc. This is probably what keeps me from declaring this film an utter masterpiece actually. I'm not yet convinced one can reference other masterpieces and be considered a masterpiece in itself.

This is an interesting point, and not without merit. However, I think you might should think about this for a moment. I recall reading the explanatory notes from some of my favorite books -- Dickens' "Our Mutual Friend" and "Little Dorrit." These books used material from earlier classics and contemporary sources as well. Yet those borrowings never detracted from the power of the story... they were natural parts that Dickens used to build his OWN masterpieces.

Pixar often has done this, and if this is the case with this film, it shouldn't hold you back from declaring whatever you want about its greatness. However... letting it sit in your memory and mellowing for a few weeks might help settle your perspective a tad. Just a thought. :D
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Postby Sanjuro » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:15 pm

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Sanjuro wrote:I BEG you to see it in a Digital projection theater. This thing will be murdered when the colors and detail are stripped for DVD.

As I start to read this, the question comes up immediately... which theater(s) in the area are doing this "digital projection' of which you speak? I don't want to miss out if I can avoid it.


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Postby Serendipitous » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:25 pm

Great review, especially for avoiding spoilers! There's so much I want to say about Wall-E as well as Sanjuro’s review, but I’ll only comment on a couple of things.

Sanjuro wrote: I was about 20 minutes into it when i realized I had heard no major dialogue aside from background. The film just pulls you in and you never notice it until you finally DO hear a voice and its quite startling.


Same thing happened to me! I love films where dialogue isn’t necessary. It’s a nice change from relying on words to tell the story. And as beautiful as this picture is, it was nice to take it all in, maybe even get immersed in it, and not be distracted by a narrator or character dialogue.

I read a couple of negative consumer-written reviews. One said he/she thought it started off too slow, which I would guess was because it was all picture and no dialogue. I was sad for the other reviewer who obviously didn’t “get it”. He/she said he/she actually got up and walked out without finishing the film. Their loss. :cry:

Sanjuro wrote: Amongst the themes are these.. love, personal responsibility, and self sacrifice. Damn good stuff. That, and you just want to hug the damn little bot. His personality is the picture's absolute powerhouse.


Wall-E is the most adorable character I’ve seen in a long time. I don’t think anyone can leave the theatre without thinking, “I love that lil’ guy!” And to be fair, there are other lovable characters we encounter, and there is an amazing balance between all of them.

Sanjuro wrote: I SO BADLY want to go further into this, but I cant. This is one that doesn't need to be spoiled, perhaps I'll write a spoiler filled review and really dig deep into it, but not in this article... I want to talk about the use of color ... the warm tones of the earth, and the cool tones where Wall-E ends up.... I want to talk about the wonders of what they find, I want to talk about how through it all Wall-E always takes time to "smell the flowers", I want to mention the simple statements the characters make.... that have deep meaning and metaphor when you revisit it in context... and how this movie has one of the best morals for our time. This is the movie our apathetic society needs to see.. right here and right now.


I have spent a lot of time thinking about Wall-E since Saturday. There is sooooo much to it, yet it’s still very light-hearted and fun. A family film that my family really enjoyed.

Sanjuro wrote:Now "get off your ass" and go see it. ;-)


I am sooooo going to see it again this week. :D
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Postby Liv » Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:43 pm

This might be your finest film review yet too...

I'm excited!!!! We will definitely go see it....
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Postby Sanjuro » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:21 pm

Liv wrote:This might be your finest film review yet too...

I'm excited!!!! We will definitely go see it....



Thanks! I hope you and your family enjoy it.

I will certainly be returning to visit Wall-E this week. He's a character that I'm completely smitten with and stuck on. Actually truth be known, one is staring at me on my desk right now. :lol:

They have created a character that has this driving desire to learn and experience. He gets so caught up in the details and the interactions and figuring out why things do what they do he sometimes gets too fixated and doesn't see what's about to hit him next. It happened as foreshadowing early on with a red dot and then as metaphor with his heart.

There is a quite funny scene where he is simply messing with another entity. At first you think it's partly to agitate it and amuse himself but really I think it's because Wall-e just wants to see how the entity will react. Which makes it even more endearing.

Oh, and there are other surprises. A role I cant even mention because it would give too much away, but I cant wait to do the spoiler review later :D
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Postby Serendipitous » Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:51 pm

Sanjuro wrote: They have created a character that has this driving desire to learn and experience. He gets so caught up in the details and the interactions and figuring out why things do what they do he sometimes gets too fixated and doesn't see what's about to hit him next. It happened as foreshadowing early on with a red dot and then as metaphor with his heart.


You are so totally spot on with this. :!:

Sanjuro wrote: There is a quite funny scene where he is simply messing with another entity. At first you think it's partly to agitate it and amuse himself but really I think it's because Wall-e just wants to see how the entity will react. Which makes it even more endearing.


MY FAVE! MY FAVE! I think we all know someone like this other entity. When I watched this scene, I thought it showed not only Wall-E's curiosity, but also his sense of humor...endearing to say the least!

Sanjuro wrote: Oh, and there are other surprises. A role i cant even mention because it would give too much away, but i cant wait to do the spoiler review later :D


Seriously, there is a ton of detail you've glossed over and I would love to hear other folks' spins on it!
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Postby The Rain King » Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:34 am

The Queen and I caught it the other day. It is pretty cute. I don't think I'd take a toddler to see it though, because there was a slew of them in there, and they didn't seem to get it. It's probably wasted on any kid younger than twelve.

I know I'll never see any new ones again, but frankly, I miss the old hand-drawn animation. Pixar's stuff is good, and getting better, but they haven't done a thing that matches Disney's original Fantasia, for instance.
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Postby Serendipitous » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:06 am

The Rain King wrote:The Queen and I caught it the other day. It is pretty cute. I don't think I'd take a toddler to see it though, because there was a slew of them in there, and they didn't seem to get it. It's probably wasted on any kid younger than twelve.


:roll: My lil monsters are 9 and 11. They enjoyed it and "got it" at least as appropriate for their ages. Of course, they're among the brighter bulbs in the pack. :D

You never know - the toddler-toting folks might have been there to see Wall-E for themselves. I'd see it even if I didn't have my own young'uns (as I have done with many other films geared towards kids/families).
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Postby The Rain King » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:31 am

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Serendipitous wrote: :roll: My lil monsters are 9 and 11. They enjoyed it and "got it" at least as appropriate for their ages. Of course, they're among the brighter bulbs in the pack. :D
You never know - the toddler-toting folks might have been there to see Wall-E for themselves. I'd see it even if I didn't have my own young'uns (as I have done with many other films geared towards kids/families).


Good points. Your kids probably are pretty sharp. But I wonder if most kids would get, for instance, the joke about him feeding Twinkies to his cockroach ? The idea that after 700 years the only edible thing on Earth is a Twinkie and the only live thing is a cockroach? BTW, that cockroach was atypically cute, wasn't he?
But do you think they got the bigger "message"? That the easiest and smartest thing to do would be not to let the Earth get that f**ked up in the first place? Personally I have no desire to live on the moon or a space-ship.

That hover-chair thing would be kinda cool though... But I gotta wonder how all those morbidly obese, immobile people managed to do The Nasty and produce off-spring. Maybe there were (ahem) special robots to "assist" with that action, too? Or maybe all those fat babies were grown in test tubes? :wink:

My wife cracked up over the "spork" bit. Did you catch it? Personally, I think they're an under-appreciated invention. She won't use one just because "they don't look right."
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Postby Sanjuro » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:33 am

Im really going to have to post a spoiler review so we can discuss this film.
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Postby Serendipitous » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:37 am

I'm sure there are a lot of things that my kids didn't get, but for the overall story and bigger messages, I could tell from our discussions on the way home that they picked up on most of it.

I'll go into further detail when Sanj starts a thread that isn't a spoiler-free zone. :wink:
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Postby Sanjuro » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:43 pm

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So this is the Spoiler-filled, no holds barred, discussion thread for Wall-E. I ask you to not read this thread until you see the film because it's my opinion that it's best enjoyed fresh and new.

Trust me, on this.. you dont want to read any further...



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Postby Sanjuro » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:46 pm

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Lets start almost where we left off.. Wall E is a Pixar film that has grown up. It has laughs to be sure, but its not really a comedy. It has light hearted moments, but it certainly has some pretty heavy undertones at the same time. This balance really works and there is a certain subtlety one might not catch the first time or at the initial viewing. As previously mentioned most of the beginning of the film is without dialogue. So when you hear the first voice (advertising something) it is rather startling. In this future Buy-n-Large (BnL) http://www.buynlarge.com/ is the conglomerate that owns every facit of life and its adverts are everywhere. It seems that it's the Wal-Mart that was left to abuse capitalism, yet we are never led to believe it is in any way evil (well, perhaps the tool of evil) so it's not some heavy handed swipe at 'evil capitalism'. It just exists in this future vision of the world and there you have it. Even the President of the planet is the BnL CEO. Speaking of President, in what no doubt marks a first for Pixar, a live action element was added to the picture. In video playback we see newsreel of the President, people of the "past", and the video of "Hello Dolly" as real people. The images are processed, but Hello Dolly is the real deal, the other elements were indeed shot by a live action unit. There might be purists who scoff at this, but I rather liked it (with one exception which I will get to later).



In what I consider to be brilliant casting, Fred Willard plays the BnL Ceo/President of the planet. As soon as he appears on screen with the presidential seal in front of him, you realize the earth was in TROUBLE! LOL Pixar managed to convey the fact that somehow humanity had reached a point where Fred Willard could be president. In one second his face told you all you needed to know about where the human race was at the time the advertisement was supposedly shot. Loved it. We also see in the same ad, modelesque perfect looking people overlooking a indoor veranda at a great expanse of what looks to be a huge pool area of a resort. They are looking in on the recreational area of the Axiom. A spaceship that is to ferry the human race to the outer reaches while the corporation cleans up the Earth. This is as close as exposition as you get in the film and it didnt feel like it.

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Wall-E rolls about this wrecked Earth, processing the trash by pulling it into his body, crushing it, and spitting it out into a compressed cube. He obviously was supposed to stack it for retrieval, however somewhere along the line he got creative. He started mimicking the architecture around him (appears to be NYC) and has made his junk stacks into facsimiles of skyscrapers. Im pretty sure there is a deeper metaphor here, but I'm too dense to see it. I think (as I said before) this is where Wall-E started to deviate from his programming. This creativity most likely led to other self discoveries that put him where he was when the audience is introduced to him. The landscape itself is painted in a warm tone, although not a tone that conveys a lot of 'life'. As he plods along within it he will find remnants of humanity here and there.. yard gnomes (which he seems to have a fondness for), a Rubix cube, and various other knick knacks.

We see this great empty city, and the camera pans down to reveal this little roach poking his head through the trash. Most people in the audience seemed to get that joke , what you don't know at the time is that this is Wall-Es only companion. He treats it like a pet, and it acts as one too. There is also a funny in-joke about the roach eating Twinkies that Wall-E finds. I love that. The adults will get the joke about Twinkies having a billion year shelf-life, and the kids love the way the roach eats it (by going into one hole at the bottom and eating the creme till he gets to the other one). Its screen gags like this that make the film so universal. Like when I watched a lot of films as a kid, I liked them for one aspect but as I grew older and re-visited it I appreciated it on a whole new level. The original Batman series with Adam West was this way with me. I watched it as a kid and really got into it as a action hero show, never picking up on its absurdity and humor. When I watched it again a few years ago, I found it fantastic with its campy dialogue and in-jokes.

Back at Wall-E's apt, we get a better sense of who he has become. Wall E takes his treads off and readys for the evening and hangs them up. It is revealed (or rather, one infers) that he has made his home in an old BnL Wall-E transport. He has a rotating shelf of items he likes to collect and he deposits his day's findings there from his little igloo cooler that he carries to 'work' everyday and there is a great scene where he finds a spork and cant figure out if it belongs with his fork or spoon collection. Eventually he goes over to his Ipod and flips it on, then he pulls out what is obviously his most prized possession.. a video copy of "Hello Dolly". He gingerly places it in the VCR and starts it. He throws a magnifier in front of the Ipod screen and continues to put things away for the night. Momentarily he will return to the screen and watch when his favorite bits come on. He tries to dance like the dancers and hits a button on his chest to record his favorite songs. In between he runs around and continues to tidy up and always to break his neck getting back to the screen when his favorite parts are on. At this point he sees the love story unfold on screen and as he slowly hits record, his eyes are wide and you detect a real sense of longing in him. The scenes in his apt cant be overstated, they are where you truly attach to this robot. In the scenes preceding it, you get to know the setting. Here, without a single bit of dialogue, you get to know the character.

Wall E is fascinated with the little things. Anything that breaks the monotony seems very welcome. There is a really cute scene with a laser dot that Wall-E focuses so much attention on that he loses site of whats about to come down on him (literally). When a giant space ship lands and deposits a shiny new robot, Wall-E follows it like the laser dot. Of course, little does he know something even bigger is about to come down on his shoulders. However, I feel its this sense of wonder that allows the audience to slowly grow to appreciate the wonders that Wall-E reveals on his journey.

The ship deposited an Extraterrestrial Vegetation Evaluator or "EVE" (pronounced Eva). EVE roams the land scanning everything. Wall-E follows with a fascination that borderlines love at first site. EVE looks nothing like anything in Wall-Es world. Sleek, bone white clean, EVE hovers over the landscape gliding then exploding into break neck speed across the landscape. Wall -E follows, occasionally bumping into things which turns Eva into a laser blasting death machine. Still, Wall-E is completely taken by this other being and continues to follow until finally the two meet.

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He takes her back to his place and shows off his collection. She is more or less unimpressed and seems to have something else on her mind. It is revealed this distraction would be her 'directive' which she wont let WALL-E in on. However Wall-E is more than ready to show her HIS directive and in a very cute scene promptly stuffs trash in him and plops out a cube. At one point he shows her his "Hello Dolly" video which she immediately starts to unravel from the spool. He freaks and winds it back in... trepidatiously checks the video to find it still works, then in another great scene tries to dance for her... when this fails, he goes about to find something else to entertain her, she sees the romantic part of the movie that caught Wall-E's eye earlier... I think perhaps this is the spark that started her on the way to individuality. However, this moment is lost a second later when he pulls out a plant he had found one day and stuffed in a shoe keeping as a curiosity. She goes into freak out mode upon seeing it, and stuffs the plant inside her then shuts down (aside from a glowing plant icon). She sends a signal out to unknown reaches (which was done as a throwback to the RKO pictures radio wave). I liked this bit a lot.

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Wall-E is devastated and in a great scene that would pay off much later in the film he does everything he can to bring her back to 'life'. Eventually, after many days (or weeks?) he reluctantly gives up and goes back to work, much sadder.

This is when the retrieval ship shows up for EVE. Wall-E rushes back and literally jumps on this ship at the last minute to hang on for dear life. As before, he has one focus and that is EVE, who he is completely in love with. As he passes through the stratosphere into space, he starts to be distracted by the many wonders of the universe. I loved this bit. This is the call to adventure I mentioned in the other review. He looks around at the beauty around him and takes it all in. There is a moment they fly close to Saturn's rings and he reaches up to touch them displacing the ice crystals. Pixie dust...if you will...swirling around him.

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Then from out of a nebula (cloud) the Axiom is revealed. Much like Oz, his house lands and a strange assortment of small bots are there to greet the ship as Wall-E remains hidden. The Axiom is the picture of order and control. Nothing is out of place and even the robots have 'path lines' they follow for maximum efficiency. You see there is a hierarchy here as well, and although nothing threatening is revealed one gets the sense of totalitarianism.

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Aboard the Axiom all is revealed about what happened to humanity. It had been 700 years since man had left earth, and they are now completely addicted to ads, entertainment, and trends.. oh, and everyone is morbidly obese. And here is what I had slight problems with...The obese people were CGI, but the people in the videos were live action. I wonder why this was done? I think perhaps because humans seemed like such a characterization at this point that it just made sense to make them literally so. Anyway, the colors here are all cold and sterile. Robots do everything for the humans and the ships computer is a throwback to HAL (complete with red eye). Wall-E causes great concern for a little OCD cleaning bot named M-O who is forced to jump his 'path line' to clean the tracks that Wall-E leaves. This moment will represent M-O's leap into free thought and independence and he will become a pivotal character later on.

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Wall -E is off and running with M-O in hot pursuit (but only to clean :lol: ), looking for EVE (who has been deposited 'somewhere' else on the ship. He comes across a hallway where robots and the humans on their hover chairs whisk by (humans cant walk for the obesity). Wall-E causes a crash of a chair and the human comes tumbling out. Then in a moment that is almost thrown away, the human connects to Wall-E (as wall-e struggles to lift the person back on the hover-chair). Later, wall E tries to get by a lady on a subway car in her hoverchair and accidentally turns off her display which causes her to open her eyes to the world around her for the first time. I love this about Wall-E. The character spread freedom like a virus to everyone he touched. He solidified the metaphor that humans can be as easily plugged in and programmed as robots, and he gives hope to those that feel powerless to break from it. There are a lot of deeper innuendos snuck into the plot here that I really dug.

There is a lot more to come, but I have too much to do. Please feel free to post your thoughts if you have seen it.
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Postby Serendipitous » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:23 pm

So there was stuff I had to refrain from saying in Sanj's original review and now I can babble about it!

Thanks for the non-spoiler-free zone!!! I'm definitely babbling in bits and pieces since there is sooooooooooo much to say! So let's start with this because I have GOT to get THESE comments of my own out of my system.

Sanjuro wrote:Wall-E causes great concern for a little OCD cleaning bot named M-O who is forced to jump his 'path line' to clean the tracks that Wall-E leaves. This moment will represent M-O's leap into free thought and independence and he will become a pivotal character later on.


I love Love LOVE M-O. He does what he is programmed to do, that is, remove foreign contaminants. So when he alters his directive (i.e. he continues to clean but strays from the path), you can see him actually "making up his mind" to do this.

Sanjuro wrote:Back at Wall-E's apt, we get a better sense of who he has become. Wall E takes his treads off and readys for the evening and hangs them up. It is revealed (or rather, one infers) that he has made his home in an old BnL Wall-E transport. He has a rotating shelf of items he likes to collect and he deposits his day's findings there from his little igloo cooler that he carries to 'work' everyday and there is a great scene where he finds a spork and cant figure out if it belongs with his fork or spoon collection.


Definitely an LOL moment. It was one of those light pop culture things, but something else I got out of it was that in our lives, some things (and some people) don't fit nice and neatly in one category, and it doesn't decrease the value of the thing (or person)... and it's not necessarily a defect. (Think about this later with the robots in "sick bay"... of which I still crack up over the one banging his own face with the orange meal tray...whap! whap! whap!)

I'll be back with more... This next bit is going to take some time.
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Postby Sanjuro » Tue Jul 01, 2008 2:43 pm

Serendipitous wrote:Definitely an LOL moment. It was one of those light pop culture things, but something else I got out of it was that in our lives, some things (and some people) don't fit nice and neatly in one category, and it doesn't decrease the value of the thing (or person)... and it's not necessarily a defect. (Think about this later with the robots in "sick bay"... of which I still crack up over the one banging his own face with the orange meal tray...whap! whap! whap!)




Oh yeah, that's a really great point. I completely let the parallel of the spork with the defective robots skip past me! What a great way of showing "just because it doesn't fit, doesn't mean it doesn't have a place". Holy crap that makes the movie even more brilliant, again showing how crucial the first quarter is to the overall story arc. Damn good catch there!! (more on those robots later ;) )
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Postby Serendipitous » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:02 pm

Sanjuro wrote:
Serendipitous wrote:Definitely an LOL moment. It was one of those light pop culture things, but something else I got out of it was that in our lives, some things (and some people) don't fit nice and neatly in one category, and it doesn't decrease the value of the thing (or person)... and it's not necessarily a defect. (Think about this later with the robots in "sick bay"... of which I still crack up over the one banging his own face with the orange meal tray...whap! whap! whap!)




Oh yeah, that's a really great point. I completely let the parallel of the spork with the defective robots skip past me! What a great way of showing "just because it doesn't fit, doesn't mean it doesn't have a place". Holy crap that makes the movie even more brilliant, again showing how crucial the first quarter is to the overall story arc. Damn good catch there!! (more on those robots later ;) )


I wish I could remember one particular passage from Susanna Kaysen's novel, Girl Interrupted. It would be very fitting here.
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Postby Serendipitous » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:09 pm

Leading up to future posting... For now, here is some “Hello Dolly”-related stuff.

Sci-Fi, Hello Dolly in WALL-E: Writer/Director Andrew Stanton Discusses His Disney/Pixar Film

In this installment, Stanton talks about pantomime, Hello Dolly, and the true theme of WALL-E.

How did you get the film Hello, Dolly in there?
“Isn’t that just the oddest choice ever? I’m going to get asked about that for the rest of my life (laughs).
“I originally used 1930’s French Swing music; I wanted old against the new. And then The Triplets of Belleville came out and I went, ‘I don’t want to look like I’m copying.’ I’m kinda glad that happened because it forced me to look harder and it broadened my scope.
“And so I looked at Broadway musicals, and I stumbled across Hello Dolly. I had done musical theatre in high school, and one of the standards is Hello Dolly. And I heard that phrase ‘out there’ in the song "Put on Your Sunday Clothes" and it was a complete gutteral (sic) aesthetic choice: ‘Out there!’ and then you cut to stars, and it just worked.
"And then I realized why it was working for me: because it’s about these two young guys, stuck in a small town, who just want to sneak away for a day, and have a life, and kiss a girl. And I thought, ‘That’s WALL-E!’ So, you’re going to meet WALL-E’s hopes, dreams, and soul in Frame One before you ever meet him.
“And then I found the song "It Only Takes a Moment" and then I looked at the movie footage, and I saw the two lovers holding hands. That was a big ‘Ah-ha!’ moment for me, because I have a character who can’t actually say ‘I love you’ but he can express it by holding hands. And when you get a gift like that from an initial inspiration, you take it as fate. So I ran with it (laughs).”
I’ve noticed both your movies, Finding Nemo and WALL-E, are quest films –
“There’s always a certain element of the quest in any story. In my mind, WALL-E’s a love story and Nemo’s a father-son love story so there are some similarities in that respect."

One of the big ideas I noticed in WALL-E was people making contact, whether it was WALL-E holding hands with EVE, or when the two humans accidentally touch.
“That was my theme: irrational love defeats life’s programming. And that was what these two characters were doing. They were literally programmed, and the irrationality of WALL-E suddenly having a soul and being able to care, would have an effect on everything else.
"We’re starting to be in a society where you’re able to distract yourself so quickly and so easily, and not have to do the real tough, but satisfying job of making contact with the person next to you and pushing relationships forward, which are messy and they don’t go as planned. But that’s the real reason you’re on this planet.
"So I thought, (using the metaphor of holding hands) was the best way to portray that thematically with everything else going on in the background. Because for me, the main story was just these two characters (WALL-E and EVE).”

What were some other inspirations? The title character felt very Chaplin-esque to me.
“We knew we were going into pantomime territory. We’re always going into pantomime with any of our movies, I don’t care how talky it is. If you go to any of our movies and turn the sound off, you’ll see us struggling to convey the story with the visuals, the actions, and the posing. So, we've taken a layer off, to allow you to appreciate that more.
“But it does create a void where all the other aspects of filmmaking – the music, the lighting, the camera work – have to raise their game and help in the story-telling.”

Some critics are going to argue, ‘the protagonist doesn’t have any dialogue–'
“To which I would argue, he talks throughout the entire movie!”


It Only Takes A Moment lyrics
http://www.lyricsondemand.com/soundtracks/h/hellodollylyrics/itonlytakesamomentlyrics.html

Cornelius
It only takes a moment
For your eyes to meet and then
Your heart knows in a moment
You will never be alone again

I held her for an instant
But my arms felt sure and strong
It only takes a moment
To be loved a whole life long...

Clerk
I missed a few words back there, Mr Jackl. Right after 'it only'--

All
[in docket]
...Takes a moment!
For your eyes to meet and then
Your heart knows in a moment
You will never be alone again

He held her for an instant
But his arms felt sure and strong
It only takes a moment--

Mrs. Molloy
He held me for an instant
But his arms felt safe and strong
It only takes a moment
To be loved a whole life long

Cornelius
And that is all
That love's about

Mrs. Molloy
And we'll recall when time runs out

Both
That it only took a moment
To be loved a whole life long!
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Postby Sanjuro » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:16 pm

I completely blew past it in my review, but YES! That opening song was so spot on perfect. Loved the way the music was laced throughout.
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Postby Serendipitous » Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:19 pm

Sanjuro wrote: The scenes in his apt cant be overstated, they are where you truly attach to this robot. In the scenes preceding it, you get to know the setting. Here, without a single bit of dialogue, you get to know the character.


'nuff said.
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Postby Serendipitous » Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:20 pm

Sanjuro wrote:...his most prized possession.. a video copy of "Hello Dolly". He gingerly places it in the VCR and starts it. ... Momentarily he will return to the screen and watch when his favorite bits come on. He tries to dance like the dancers and hits a button on his chest to record his favorite songs.


He went to work like an adult, yet he had child-like behaviors. I remember doing the same thing as child when I watched musicals on TV, not only mimicking the dances, but getting out my dad’s dictation tape recorder and putting it up to the TV to record my favorite songs.

Sanjuro wrote:In between he runs around and continues to tidy up and always to break his neck getting back to the screen when his favorite parts are on.


I don’t remember doing this myself, but I remember when my kids were very young (toddlers), they could be playing with toys while Barney was on PBS, and when a song came on, they’d stop, stare, and start moving to the music. And I remember my daughter following along with some of the dances.

Sanjuro wrote:At this point he sees the love story unfold on screen and as he slowly hits record, his eyes are wide and you detect a real sense of longing in him.


Wall-E has innocence, but he isn't perfectly child-like. And he doesn’t have anyone around to explain things to him. He comes to his own conclusions, and he doesn’t need anyone to explain LOVE to him. Can it be that simple for humans too? He likes what he sees, and the film does an absolutely perfect job of conveying it.

Andrew Stanton wrote: And then I found the song "It Only Takes a Moment" and then I looked at the movie footage, and I saw the two lovers holding hands. That was a big ‘Ah-ha!’ moment for me, because I have a character who can’t actually say ‘I love you’ but he can express it by holding hands. And when you get a gift like that from an initial inspiration, you take it as fate. So I ran with it (laughs).


While Wall-E is watching “Hello Dolly” he mimics the handholding, interlocking the fingers of his own hands. When he meets EVE and tries to hold her hand, it doesn’t immediately go over the way he thinks it should. And when EVE is in security mode, protecting the plant, Wall-E second attempt to hold hands with her is successful, but again, not quite like “Hello Dolly”. It’s sweet, it’s hilarious… and the idea of a robot seeking “touch” made me wonder how human he could become without human interaction.
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Postby SouthernFriedInfidel » Wed Jul 02, 2008 11:42 am

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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:As I start to read this, the question comes up immediately... which theater(s) in the area are doing this "digital projection' of which you speak? I don't want to miss out if I can avoid it.


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OK... so I found a Carmike theater that is convenient for my other plans for the weekend. I went to try and buy my tickets early. Carmike uses Fandango. Which charges a convenience fee of $1 a ticket. I'll just buy the tickets at the door and use my savings to buy a soda. :twisted:
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Postby Serendipitous » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:01 pm

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Sanjuro wrote:
SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:As I start to read this, the question comes up immediately... which theater(s) in the area are doing this "digital projection' of which you speak? I don't want to miss out if I can avoid it.


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OK... so I found a Carmike theater that is convenient for my other plans for the weekend. I went to try and buy my tickets early. Carmike uses Fandango. Which charges a convenience fee of $1 a ticket. I'll just buy the tickets at the door and use my savings to buy a soda. :twisted:


And if you ever go to the movies and are oh-so-psyched to see a particular film, walk up to the box office, and have them tell you "Sorry, sold out," then you'll have wished you paid the extra to guarantee you'd have seats.
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Postby Sanjuro » Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:11 pm

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And if you ever go to the movies and are oh-so-psyched to see a particular film, walk up to the box office, and have them tell you "Sorry, sold out," then you'll have wished you paid the extra to guarantee you'd have seats.


Luckily for him there are like 5 billion showings.
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