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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:18 pm

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Remember, Remember, the Fifth of November.

Tonight I watched V for Vendetta. Good movie, but this isn't a movie review. One of the lines in the movie, (please excuse if I paraphrase.) is:

"Is that what you think? Or what they want you to think?"

It is basically a simple statement that sums up the movie and ironically our world, which is technically what the movie metaphors. (Yes I'm aware of the Nazi and 1984 undertone too.) What got me thinking was exactly how brain dead people are. How incredibly brainwashed America, or for that matter most people in the world are. Obviously the beauty of this statement is that most people who watch the movie, read this statement, or come across similar observations in conversation will be incapable of even understanding what it means.

Do you really think the rat knows it's in a maze? The rat knows that he can smell the cheese. If the rat would take a moment to stop and analyze his life, perhaps look whats above him, or behind him & to recognize the hand of the human who had put him in the maze, then he might not be so quick to get to the end and the reward. He might wonder what does the hand want from me?

So it is with many who are religious. Religion has its good and bad. But its primary function is oppression and control of those people who would otherwise be problematic for a system that takes advantage of the rats, I mean people, who mindlessly stroll through life, concentrating only on the end goal of the afterlife.

Yes, promise a person a great prize for good behavior and they won't get in the way of the privileged few who can attain fortune and fame. Parents do it with kids? Eat your dinner and get desert. Good behavior is rewarded with a pleasure.

So is religion, or for that matter, our culture simply a construct to keep society under control? Is it merely an elaborate hoax played upon all of us? When we're dead, do we die and go into nothingness? Perhaps. It all depends on your faith. But imagine for a moment that heaven doesn't exist. If the cheese wasn't there at the end of the maze? Wouldn't you do anything you could to explore every dead end, looking for an exit? Of course your would.

This usage of psychology seems to find its way into every portion of our lives, not only in religion, children, and metaphorical rat mazes; but also, in politics. Take for instance the recent terrorism fear following 9/11. Was an attack prominent? Or more likely was it an idea suggested upon those who are suggestible to give the president the power to do what he needed to do, in order to make himself wealthier?

It is time people begin to question things. For people to start living by their own minds, rather than mindlessly live for other people. It is important for religion to become moral again. It is important that we have government who supports its people, not abuses it, and most importantly we should never ever forget the power each one of us has to guide our own lives, govern our world, and eat our cheese before we die.
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Postby Sanjuro » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:21 pm

Can't think of a reason the gunpowder and treason should ever be forgot...

Happy Bonfire (Guy Fawkes) night!
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Postby SouthernFriedInfidel » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:21 pm

Penny for the Guy?!

Will that change when England goes with Euros?

Have they converted already? :?
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Postby Sanjuro » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:21 pm

SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:Penny for the Guy?!

Will that change when England goes with Euros?

Have they converted already? :?



:lol: :lol: Um...no.
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:21 pm

Remember, remember the Fifth of November
Gunpowder Treason and Plot
I see no reason
Why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot (en)
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, was his intent
To blow up King and Parliament
Gunpowder barrels down below
To prove old England's overthrow

I remember hearing this verse when I was young, but it went out of favour in the early 60's (I wonder why?) In my father's time it was more common.

A penny loaf to feed the Pope
A lump of cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down.
A pile of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar.
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head.
Then we'll cheer the Pope is dead.

And even when I was a kid, even though we asked for a "Penny for the Guy", anyone cheap enough to only give us one penny would find a 'penny banger' put through his letter box on Guy Fawkes night. We didn't do the Halloween thing.
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Postby Sanjuro » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:21 pm

Somebody Threadjacked me! NOT COOL.
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Postby Sanjuro » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:21 pm

Seriously, my thread was placed in "world news" to wish my friends round the globe "Happy Guy Fawkes Day", not as an addition to a movie thread in "arts". Loved the movie and all but this is stupid. F this.
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:21 pm

Move it back then.

Guy Fawkes night was always a special day of the year coming in behind my Birthday, Christmas.

Those are cool because of the presents, but on Guy Fawkes night you get to burn things and make explosions. What can be cooler than that. We could never afford the really spectacular fireworks but the fun you could have with a packet or two of penny bangers and jumping jacks just doesn't bear thinking about. But then some kid blows an eye out or sets light to his sister and the safety goons try to make it a safe enjoyable experience, instead of the fire brigade's night from hell.

Surviving Guy Fawkes, riding bikes without helmets, skates without knee pads, boats without lifejackets, cars without seat belts - if you made it to adulthood you knew you were smarter (or luckier) than the average kid. (you know the one who's backpack you dropped a banger into)
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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

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Wow... this would be a little bit creepy, and quite a bit cool... Annie from going underground spotted this person dressed as Guy Fawkes.

The mother told her kids that he might have had a strange skin condition. It was a little too early in the day for him to have been going to a Halloween Party and there was just something very casual about him, as he checked his iPod, as though he travelled in the mask quite often. When I saw him before it was a weekday at about 8.30 in the morning.


I'm not sure I could be that calm... I'd either shake the persons hand.... or run for the hills. I guess as long as you're not headed for the parliament you should be fine.
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Obviously it's Mr Bean and he doesn't want to be recognised
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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

I still want that costume for halloween... and 300 of my closest co-workers...
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Postby Serendipitous » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

I said it before, November 5th is Guy Fawkes Day, which this year is the day after Election Day... It's gonna be a busy week for ol' Serendipitous!
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Remember, remember, the fifth of November
Gunpowder, treason and plot
I see no reason why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot

Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes 'twas his intent
To blow up the King and the Parliament
Three score barrels of powder below
Poor old England to overthrow
By God's providence he was catch'd
With a dark lantern and burning match

A penny loaf to feed the Pope
A lump of cheese to choke him
A pint of beer to rinse it down
A faggot of sticks to burn him
Burn him in a tub of tar
Burn him like a blazing star
Burn his body from his head
Then we'll say old Pope is dead
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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Yeah, it's almost a bummer it's not on the 5th this year...
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Postby Serendipitous » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Happy Birthday Dad.
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Postby Serendipitous » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

A Person wrote:...on Guy Fawkes night you get to burn things and make explosions. What can be cooler than that.



The answer is NOTHING!!! Nothing is cooler than that! Fire and 'splosions!!! FIRE! FIRE! FIRE!!!

:music-headbanger:

Um, yeah... I have some pyromaniacal tendencies...

Okay, now to read the rest of AP's post... I didn't get very far past "burn things" and "make explosions."
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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

I almost bought the mask while at Friendly center before halloween. They had them for like 8.00.... but decided against it....
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Postby Serendipitous » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

A Person wrote:Surviving Guy Fawkes, riding bikes without helmets, skates without knee pads, boats without lifejackets, cars without seat belts - if you made it to adulthood you knew you were smarter (or luckier) than the average kid. (you know the one who's backpack you dropped a banger into)


:)

I remember getting very tore up on asphalt and gravel playgrounds and crying at the sting of the Bactine before getting a Band-Aid. Last time I went to the NC Zoo with my kids, they had some cushy playground of rubbermat/rubber mulch... :roll:

Okay, now back to the bit about fire and explosions... :mrgreen:
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

WTF? I don't remember writing this today. Did some moderator retrieve this from another thread or am I losing my mind? (BHL or RD need not reply)

A Person wrote:Move it back then.

Guy Fawkes night was always a special day of the year coming in behind my Birthday, Christmas.

Those are cool because of the presents, but on Guy Fawkes night you get to burn things and make explosions. What can be cooler than that. We could never afford the really spectacular fireworks but the fun you could have with a packet or two of penny bangers and jumping jacks just doesn't bear thinking about. But then some kid blows an eye out or sets light to his sister and the safety goons try to make it a safe enjoyable experience, instead of the fire brigade's night from hell.

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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Probably just another small rift in the space time continuum... we have those every now and then here on greensboring.
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Oh don't tell me Eddie's in the time-space continuum again.
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Postby Liv » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Technically I think what happened is the topic got bumped, and then merged which subsequenly altered the unix timestamp....

Either that or the Delorean is broke again.
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Postby SouthernFriedInfidel » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

A Person wrote:Oh don't tell me Eddie's in the time-space continuum again.

That's right -- and that's his sofa over there. :mrgreen:
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Postby A Person » Fri Nov 05, 2010 4:25 pm

Just in front of that Italian Bistro.

Lunchtime!

Recipriversexclusons make me thirsty, pass the Chianti while I toy with this Pollo al Fungi.
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