Comparing Jesus to Horus

[Liv]

Could Jesus and Horus have been the same person or even the same God? Are the similarities just a coincidence? This is what I love about mythology, and if there was ever justification for my belief that Christianity is merely a revised version of Egyptian religion, I'd say this is it:

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.




12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Livanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Livlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

[Liv]

So Royal D thinks the egyptian beliefs had no influence over Christianity? Christianity is a completely "new" way of looking at things, and it's just coencidence that previous religions had simular or exact stories as does christianity?

[A Person]

Horus was the son of Osiris and Isis. Osiris father was Seb.

Osiris was cut into 12 pieces by Set and the bits thrown in the Nile. Isis sewed him back together and made him into a mummy - she resurrected him not Horus. Horus was born sometime later. It all sounds suitably religious.

While Christianity has many remarkable similarities with other pre-existing religions, most of this list seems contrived.

I have to agree with RD on this one. It's not that Christianity hasn't borrowed themes, ideas, myths, ceremonies from other religions (that's indisputable), but that the parallels with Horus listed above just don't match up with what's recorded about Horus.

[jacobb]

It's funny how christians view this. They usually come up with a silly excuse like, "the devil did it." This evidence proves without a doubt the bible is full of myths and legends. There were religions before christanity, and all of the practices and rituals mentioned in the christian faith were practiced before christanity even originated. Jesus never was.

Jesus existed between the years of 4 A.D and 34 A.D. The first gospels of John were written in 70 A.D.
Think about the time difference. 40 years went by before the first gospels were written. If jesus performed all these miracles that surprised everyone, then why didn't John write the bible during Jesus' life time?

We aren't exactly sure what happened between 34 A.D and 70 A.D, but we are sure that Jesus is a pagan myth and his character descriped in the bible is an accumulation of characters from the egyptian gods.

All of christanity is recyled version of past religions. Everything in The New Testament was already practiced, but way long before Jesus existed. There were many Egyptian gods who performed miracles, walked on water, healed the sick, claimed to be the son of god, and rose people from the dead.

Just combine all the greek and egyptian gods together, and you got Jesus.

IF jesus existed, which I highly doubt, then he was a prophet just like Muhammad and Buddah.
But he wasn't the son of any god, and he's not the only person who performed miracles and healed the sick.

The Old Testament is scientifically proven and is strongly supported by many scientist. The only part in the old testament that is doubted by science is the creation story, but everything else is scientificlly accuate.

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

The Old Testament is scientifically proven and is strongly supported by many scientist. The only part in the old testament that is doubted by science is the creation story, but everything else is scientifically accurate.

Your information is inaccurate. Nearly everything contained in the "history" sections of the OT has been shown by archaeological findings to be exaggerated or complete myths. Check out "The View From Nebo" for a good summary of the state of the science.

[John W.]

Where does it say that Horus had 12 followers or disciples. It is not in any ancient text I have seen.
I think he actually had 14 followers. Neither was Horus crucified either. Some of your "facts" look like they are taken from "The Greatest Story Ever Sold", - a non-scholarly source.

[RevsR75]

It's funny how christians view this. They usually come up with a silly excuse like, "the devil did it." This evidence proves without a doubt the bible is full of myths and legends. There were religions before christanity, and all of the practices and rituals mentioned in the christian faith were practiced before christanity even originated. Jesus never was.

Jesus existed between the years of 4 A.D and 34 A.D. The first gospels of John were written in 70 A.D.
Think about the time difference. 40 years went by before the first gospels were written. If jesus performed all these miracles that surprised everyone, then why didn't John write the bible during Jesus' life time?

We aren't exactly sure what happened between 34 A.D and 70 A.D, but we are sure that Jesus is a pagan myth and his character descriped in the bible is an accumulation of characters from the egyptian gods.

All of christanity is recyled version of past religions. Everything in The New Testament was already practiced, but way long before Jesus existed. There were many Egyptian gods who performed miracles, walked on water, healed the sick, claimed to be the son of god, and rose people from the dead.

Just combine all the greek and egyptian gods together, and you got Jesus.

IF jesus existed, which I highly doubt, then he was a prophet just like Muhammad and Buddah.
But he wasn't the son of any god, and he's not the only person who performed miracles and healed the sick.

The Old Testament is scientifically proven and is strongly supported by many scientist. The only part in the old testament that is doubted by science is the creation story, but everything else is scientificlly accuate.

Unfortunately for your argument, most scholars agree that John's gospel was one of the latter books of the Christian testament. Paul's writings date within 15 years of Jesus death. Most scholars argue that Mark was the earliest of the gospels. These were codified as the witnesses to Jesus life began to die. The impact of the "Christos" is seen throughout Roman history. To deny that something happened involving some historical being denies basic common sense. To each his own. By the way, who is this "we" you keep referring to? By that I mean as in "we are sure that Jesus is a pagan myth and his character descriped in the bible is an accumulation of characters from the egyptian gods." Can you site on legitimate scholar who would agree?

[What if what we know of Horus is based on text written after the Bible?]

http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jesus_ ... ities.html

Let's do more research before we believe what modern people say about stuff that happened 2000 years ago. Sometimes modern people like to think that people 2000 years ago were stupid. What - you think they didn't have Egyptologists back then to say "hang on - wait a minute!", and the stories of Horus were amazingly lost until recent times for recent scientists to say "hang on - wait a minute!" ?? I don't think so.

The people 2000 years ago had the greatest chance ever (given it was current events) to debunk Christ, but they couldn't.

[Bodwulf]

Horus's mother was Isis your whole argument ends there. Jesus is more like Buddah in their teachings. And here is the acount of his birth that has more to do with necrophilia than virginity.
..Horus was NOT born of a virgin at all. Indeed, one ancient Egyptian relief depicts this conception by showing his mother Isis in a falcon form, hovering over an erect phallus of a dead and prone Osiris in the Underworld (EOR, s.v. "Phallus").

Indeed, the description of the conception of Horus will show exactly the sexual elements that characterize pagan 'miracle births', as noted by the scholars earlier:

"But after she [i.e., Isis] had brought it [i.e. Osiris' body] back to Egypt, Seth managed to get hold of Osiris's body again and cut it up into fourteen parts, which she scattered all over Egypt. Then Isis went out to search for Osiris a second time and buried each part where she found it (hence the many tombs of Osiris tht exist in Egypt). The only part that she did not find was the god's *****, for Seth had thrown it into the river, where it had been eaten by a fish; Isis therefore fashioned a substitute ***** to put in its place. She had also had sexual intercourse with Osisis after his death, which resulted in the conception and birth of his posthumous son, Harpocrates, Horus-the-child. Osiris became king of the netherworld, and Horus proceeded to fight with Seth..." [CANE:2:1702; emphasis mine] [BTW, the Hebrew word 'satan' is not a 'cognate' of the name 'seth' by any means: "The root *STN is not evidenced in any of the cognate languages in texts that are prior to or contemporary with its occurrences in the Hebrew Bible" DDD, s.v. 1369f]
OH I almost forgot......................You sir are a moron.believe whatever you want if you have to lie to prove you point do you actually have one? (the answer is no just in case you are too stupid to figure that out.
Your Friendly neighborhood Christian Buddist
Bod

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

OH I almost forgot......................You sir are a moron.believe whatever you want if you have to lie to prove you point do you actually have one? (the answer is no just in case you are too stupid to figure that out.
Your Friendly neighborhood Christian Buddist
Bod

Whoa. Christian Buddhist with an attitude. I like it!

[Guest]

Your Horus research is forced and out of context. You need footnotes to give this any weight whatsoever.

[Properly hated]

good job! I love anything that'll give christians a run for their money.

[Syncere]

About time somebody kept it real instead of letting there religion that they kno nothing about interfer with their mind!!

[LoperDoodle]

These are not facts. Whoever made this website is putting out misinformation and alot of people believe it without doing the research to bebunk it. Paganism was mixed with Christianity by the Catholic church. Example : Jesus was not born on December , 25th. The Bible only tells us that Jesus was born when the sheep were still in the fields. That would be sometime during the Fall.

[MikeTheInfidel]

that History channel episode

I think I've located the problem.

[Athena67]

Amazes me how people refuse to see that Jesus is a myth along with all the others before him, excuses left and right just to hold on to what they have been taught, this is disturbing.

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

Amazes me how people refuse to see that Jesus is a myth along with all the others before him, excuses left and right just to hold on to what they have been taught, this is disturbing.

Might be disturbing, but it's very understandable. People don't like it when I use the word "myth" in connection with Jesus, but it is very much appropriate. All peoples throughout history have used mythical stories to convey truths between generations. These stories have great value for society in that they are memorable and useful in providing a common framework of ideals for the culture one grows up in. The fact that they aren't factual doesn't really enter into the equation.

Sadly, "true believers" feel a need for THEIR myths to be factual, and they want to feel superior to others, who follow mere "myths." This is a core problem with religion: it includes the meme that religion must be exclusionary in order to function properly, thus feeding a need for conflict with non-believers (in this case, people who don't believe the dominant religion, not merely atheists).

This is why I feel that using modern myths as a vehicle to convey values is a superior process to religion. Everyone understands that, say, Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter and Star Wars are fiction, yet they all convey important life messages at least as well to their fans as religion does to their adherents, and without the need to be exclusionary. Maybe one day, these myths will completely overtake religion as the primary means of mythical communication between generations. I think humanity would be better off if it did.

[Jamy]

I think the word "legend" would be more appropriate than myth though. Legends have a basis in reality that, over the years becomes stylized and aggrandized with each retelling. "Myth" can also have a basis in reality, but its connotations more often imply that it's a traditional fabrication or outright lie.

For instance, I think the 7 days creation story is a myth to explain the of the universe and earth in a way that even the simplest person could grasp. While I think that Jesus was indeed a real person, made legendary because of his teachings and the dramatic way he was martyred.

I also think that Buddha, Mohommed, Confucius, Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther King were/are real people. If the teachings and lives of the latter three continue to be shared from generation to generation, then they too will become legendary after many hundreds of years and the real facts of their lives will be interlaced with fanciful embellishments too.

[A Person]

I think the word "legend" would be more appropriate than myth though. Legends have a basis in reality that, over the years becomes stylized and aggrandized with each retelling. "Myth" can also have a basis in reality, but its connotations more often imply that it's a traditional fabrication or outright lie.

Hmm definitions ...

myth
noun
1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

legend
noun
1. a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical.

Ancient History
Briefly, we can say that a myth gives a religious explanation for something: how the world or a particular custom began. There is usually no attempt to fix the myth into a coherent chronology related to the present day, though myths or a cycle of myths may have their own internal chronology. The story is timeless in that the events are symbolic rather than just the way it happened.

In calling a story a myth we are expressing no opinion about whether it is true or not. In the days, when, at least publicly, Christianity was assumed to be true and other religions false by those writing about religion (say, the 19th and early 20th centuries), the specialists' use of the word myth was closer to the popular use to mean an untrue religious story, and it was only used for other people's religion. As anthropologists and students of religion came to take a more impartial view of the world, it was recognised that certain Christian stories shared many of the features of myth, and could be called myths if the idea that a myth was necessarily false was shed.

A legend, on the other hand, is a story which is told as if it were a historical event, rather than as an explanation for something or a symbolic narrative. The legend may or may not be an elaborated version of a historical event. Thus, examples of legends are the stories about Robin Hood, which are set in a definite period, the reign of Richard I of England (1189-99), or about King Arthur, which were perhaps originally based on the exploits of a Romano-Celtic prince who attempted to resist the expansion of the Anglo-Saxons in what was to become England. The stories about Robin Hood and King Arthur have been elaborated and expanded on down the years.

While I think that Jesus was indeed a real person, made legendary because of his teachings and the dramatic way he was martyred.

There is rather less evidence that Jesus was real than there is for Robin Hood.

[SouthernFriedInfidel]

I also think that Buddha, Mohommed, Confucius, Mother Teresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther King were/are real people. If the teachings and lives of the latter three continue to be shared from generation to generation, then they too will become legendary after many hundreds of years and the real facts of their lives will be interlaced with fanciful embellishments too.

Oh man... don't get me started on bloody Mother Teresa. No doubt, she'll be named a Catholic saint one day. Sadly, I expect she'll fit in pretty well with a large part of THAT list.

[A Person]

"their lives will be interlaced with fanciful embellishments too"

That pretty much sums up Agnes Bojaxhiu now, no need to wait for hundreds of years

[Liv]

Everything I ever need to know about Jesus, I learned from watching Stargate.

I'll write that book someday.

[The Truth!]

In Comparing Jesus to Horus, one must realize that to those who call Jesus "Savior", and those who don't will never come together and agree to disagree. Regardless of what side your on, Hard scientific facts, or concrete proof for neither will ever be in existence. Unless you know someone who is well over the age of dirt will you ever have compelling proof of the truths of either Jesus or Horus.
If you do believe in Horus super, great Awesome, if you believe in Jesus, then stop killing people in the name of God, and persecuting people by twisting the bible for your own human stupidity. Faith is taken way to much for granted these days, the bible must be taken for what it was at the time, a book to control the masses!

[Liv]

Very interesting article that relates:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/04/0 ... ?hpt=hp_c1

Interestingly, Christians say those who believe such Internet nonsense are "internet kooks".

The evidence against Jesus’ existence

Those who argue against Jesus’ existence make some of these points:

-The uncanny parallels between pagan stories in the ancient world and the stories of Jesus.

-No credible sources outside the Bible say Jesus existed.

-The Apostle Paul never referred to a historical Jesus.

[surf_ninja_36]

Once again religion stands between different groups of people... If any religion causes separation and lack of harmony amongst fellow humans it should be thrown away. I'm the son of a 30 year christian pastor and my family is separated by religion. therefore I wish I never heard about doctrine. I think the closest thing to the truth is Buddhism because its the only religion that promotes peace, harmony and compassion. I will serve no "loving God" who will condemn my fellow humans to an eternal lake of fire! Where is the love in THAT god? Thats a terrorist!