Abortion: the game of Duck, Duck, Duck, GOOSE!

Abortion: the game of Duck, Duck, Duck, GOOSE!

by royaldiadem | Published on July 26th, 2008, 10:13 am | Life

Abortion is not trivial. It is the murder of a Human Being who is made in the image of God.

Serious violation of the character and person of Jesus Christ.

Duck, Duck, Duck,... Goose! is a child's game.

Serious silliness for an adult.

What do these two things have in common? Nothing until this morning. I realized again the truth of the internal impossibility of living life in american culture today as an unbeliever, a lost man. Regularly our church ministers the Gospel of Jesus Christ and reads the Word of God (certainly not mutually exclusive) to the baby murdering patrons of "A Woman's Choice" abortion provider in Greensboro, NC at 201 Pomona Drive.

While preaching, praying and teaching a new person to our ministry this morning, I noticed a 20-25 bird parade of Canadian Geese making their way across Pomona Drive. Pastor Dustin was talking with our brother, new to our clinic ministry, and accounting for the behavior of the patrons of the clinic. I chuckled at the irony I will detail below, the two men stopped their conversation immediately, likely shocked at my chuckle, which would normally be out of place. The chuckle was a sardonic reaction to the irony of the situation.

The driver of a white SUV had stopped in the middle of the intersection of Pomona and Dundas Drive to permit the Geese to make their way across Pomona. Touching.

The problem is that this happened withing 50 yards of a death camp. Babies being slaughtered like pigs in their mother's womb. People were KILLING HUMANS while the driver stopped for at least two dozen Geese.

Now there are two, no three, possibilities for their grace (word chosen carefully) either the driver:
1) Obeyed federal law prohibiting KILLING CANADIAN GEESE,..
2) Obeyed their conscience telling them not to KILL UNNECESSARILY
3) Did not want to mess up the cleanliness of their automobile.

Sick.

On with the account (this is NOT a story, it is an account of the behaviors of a couple, geese and a human baby, made in the image of GOD Genesis 1:27), if the inconsistent practice of the Lost Man and Woman.

Once the last adult Canadian Goose, no cute little fuzzy baby goslings, passed the center double yellow line, the driver of the SUV slowly, very slowly passed by the three of us, the first entrance to the Killing Service, the second entrance of the Murder Store and around the corner out of sight. I had a great picture of the irony of the valuing of animal life and the total abandonment of human life, worse, the Murder of a Human Being Baby. Thinking that the SUV was a passerby, I continued to mull over what happened, Pastor Dusty and our brother, new to the Abortion ministry of Shepherd’s Fellowship, continued to talk about the puzzling circumstance.

Less than two minutes later, just enough time to move out of sight, make an about face likely in a parking lot off of Pomona, the same SUV came around the curve and slowly entered the parking lot, yielded it’s driver who spared the life of several Canadian geese, and his wife.

How can a human being live this life? How can one hold the life of an animal as valuable and in the same quarter hour KILL A HUMAN BABY?

Romans 1:18-23
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. 21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

I am calling for responses to this irony. Christians; What happens if these two adults are “professing” christians? (we experience this often, patrons of the Death clinic regularly express they are “Christians”).

In the event that these are unbelievers,..?

royaldiadem wrote:Abortion is not trivial. It is the murder of a Human Being who is made in the image of God.

Sorry, ya lost me after this line.

Sanjuro wrote:Sorry, ya lost me after this line.

You were with him past the TITLE? Dude......... :roll:

SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:
Sanjuro wrote:Sorry, ya lost me after this line.

You were with him past the TITLE? Dude.........

Respectfully,.. we all know that both of you read it all... so, how about you each comment or move on to another post and dont waste meggiebiteys.

Sterling

They did comment. When you start a post with an article of faith then there's no more to be said. If your premise is wrong, or at the very least completely unsupportable, nothing else you may say is useful.

[quote="royaldiadem"]

Y’all need to stop picking on poor Sterling. Can’t you tell the man is lonely and desperate and in need of a good Mercy Duck? Somebody at least Goose him and his special pal Dusty and maybe they’ll stop harrassing and trying in their fumbly way to pick up women outside clinics.
Yeah, I know. They chose that location because they at least know if the women are pregnant, they will go all the way. Just not with.... them.

Interesting that people with a particular religious view on a topic seem to believe that repeating their religious slogans, quotes, and inflammatory statements will have any effect on people who don't believe as they do.

Has nobody ever told them that we are far more effective at persuading opponents to our point of view if we show respect for their beliefs and ideas, and discuss our areas of disagreement calmly and in terms that both sides recognize as credible.

Given that the Bush administration is now trying to get birth control listed as abortions, one wonders what the fundies really want. If they manage to outlaw both contraceptives and abortions, then they themselves will end up having 10 or more kids, or having to deny themselves if they don't want so many children. It is uncommon to see these fundies having 10-15 kids themselves. Therefore, the only conclusion I can draw is that either the vast majority are having themselves sterilized at young ages, or they are having sexless marriages, or the most likely at all, they are trying to outlaw contraceptives they themselves use. Sort of weird folks.

Questioner wrote:Interesting that people with a particular religious view on a topic seem to believe that repeating their religious slogans, quotes, and inflammatory statements will have any effect on people who don't believe as they do.

I don't think these Calvinists actually have any respect for their own stated beliefs, let alone the beliefs of others. The point of Calvin's philosophy was that God is in control of everything. Including the events at the abortion clinic they seem to take exception to. Why they should feel so strongly against abortions that they believe God has ordered to happen, I have no idea.

All of them are obviously afraid to actually comment directly on your experience, Sterling. They prefer to simply talk in circles. You don't have to be a Christian or a "believer" to see the irony in your post and that the person obviously valued the lives of fowl over the lives on an unborn baby. It's funny but in the same respect it's exceptionally UNfunny.

As far as Christians having abortions: I believe that most people who call themselves Christians are not in fact Christians. They may simply be believers. Believers are not always saved and don't necessarily have the holy spirit guiding their lives.

Make in me a new heart..... o'Lord.

Bless you Sterling for you perseverance and being steadfast.

royaldiadem wrote:Abortion is not trivial. It is the murder of a Human Being who is made in the image of God.

Serious violation of the character and person of Jesus Christ.

You could have stopped with "Abortion is not trivial." The second sentence is what makes an already difficult decision even more (and unnecessarily) difficult.

Serendipitous wrote: The second sentence is what makes an already difficult decision even more (and unnecessarily) difficult.

I'm afraid that's exactly what they want to do. Psychological abuse of a woman in an already weak condition is Sterling, Dusty (or whatever his name is), and BHL's Modus Operandi. It's how these gangs of selfish a s s holes operate with any sense of accomplishment but more importantly, It's the true christian way. Always preying on the young, helpless, and tormented all to serve their own sick agenda. Then they jack each other off spouting what great works they did in god's name. What a joke.

Sanjuro wrote:
Serendipitous wrote: The second sentence is what makes an already difficult decision even more (and unnecessarily) difficult.

I'm afraid that's exactly what they want to do. Psychological abuse of a woman in an already weak condition is Sterling, Dusty (or whatever his name is), and BHL's Modus Operandi. It's how these gangs of selfish a s s holes operate with any sense of accomplishment but more importantly, It's the true christian way. Always preying on the young, helpless, and tormented all to serve their own sick agenda. Then they jack each other off spouting what great works they did in god's name. What a joke.

Get a life Sanjuro. One of THE most selfish acts a person can do is to have an abortion. You can call me an asshole all you want but it doesn't change the fact that abortion is real and it's murder. I also expect you to always continually attack the Chrsitian faith. The bible says that your kind will continue to do this until the end.

If you REALLY feel as strong as you SAY you do about this perhaps YOU should come out and protest the protesters. Otherwise you're really just blowing smoke. I'll take 1 Sterling that will stand for his convictions than 10 Sanjuros blowing smoke.

BecauseHeLives wrote:Get a life Sanjuro. One of THE most selfish acts a person can do is to have an abortion.

Naah, having a kid because your bright and fluffy idea of god tells you too and not being able to support it (thus screwing up their life or becoming a society burden) is way more selfish.

BecauseHeLives wrote: You can call me an asshole all you want

Well thats a relief.

BecauseHeLives wrote: but it doesn't change the fact that abortion is real and it's murder.

In you interpretation I suppose, but not in reality. Then again when has that pesky reality ever been an issue with an ego the likes of the True Christian?

BecauseHeLives wrote: I also expect you to always continually attack the Chrsitian faith. The bible says that your kind will continue to do this until the end.

Not so much the faith of it, more your unique interpretation of it.

"my kind" heh... thats brilliant you prejudice asshole (did it again, thanks for the permission).

BecauseHeLives wrote: If you REALLY feel as strong as you SAY you do about this perhaps YOU should come out and protest the protesters.

Sorry man, more circus spectacle is the last thing these poor women need.

BecauseHeLives wrote:Otherwise you're really just blowing smoke. I'll take 1 Sterling that will stand for his convictions than 10 Sanjuros blowing smoke.

Ha ha.... that's rich. "Why cant we be as extreme as the extremist", heh? :lol:

The real joke here is that I don't even agree with abortion on a philosophical level. But I support the rights of people to know what's best for them and their potential children. That's the difference I guess. I have faith in people where you have none, and I know that emotionally abusing people in the name of my belief is about as low as one can get.

BecauseHeLives wrote: ... One of THE most selfish acts a person can do is to have an abortion.

Absolute bull$#it! Abortion is NOT always selfish. There are women who feel that terminating the pregnancy is better than allowing a child to be born into this world. If she thinks she is doing that child a favor, that's not selfish.

BecauseHeLives wrote:You can call me an asshole all you want but it doesn't change the fact that abortion is real and it's murder. I also expect you to always continually attack the Chrsitian faith. The bible says that your kind will continue to do this until the end.

...and you'll continue to attack atheists because you think it's synonymous with amoral.

So wait, the Abortion doctor stopped from hitting the Geese?

Geese are terrible messy.

BecauseHeLives wrote:If you REALLY feel as strong as you SAY you do about this perhaps YOU should come out and protest the protesters.

I do - but not by standing outside clinics and shouting. By making sure none of my charitable donations or tax money goes to support religious organizations, by directly supporting them financially, by supporting people like Dr. Henry Morgentaler and by voting for people that understand that while no one wants an abortion, often it is the best choice and the only person that can make that decision is the woman.

Spouting bible verses as to why you think your imaginary despot might think this is a bad idea is not productive. The Bible reflects the morals of the time it was written - when an unborn child had no value. Nowhere does the Bible state abortion is murder, nowhere does it state that the imaginary soul enters the ovum at fertilization. You made that bit up. The Bible talks about the "breath of life", God "breathing life" etc. As usual you ignore what the Bible actually says and make up your own justification to support your presuppositions.

Absolute bull$#it! Abortion is NOT always selfish. There are women who feel that terminating the pregnancy is better than allowing a child to be born into this world. If she thinks she is doing that child a favor, that's not selfish.

Sounds like to me that you are saying it IS selfish MOST of the time but not ALL the time. If that's the case statistics would back that up. I've posted those stats here before that show the VAST majority of women have abortions for selfish reasons.

You NEVER do a child a favor by killing them. If that was the case people would be killing 2-3 year olds.

...and you'll continue to attack atheists because you think it's synonymous with amoral.

Good grief! It's the atheists attacking Christianity in these forums here. Not the other way around. If you believe it is the Christians on this board attacking the atheists then you aren't reading the same forums that I am. Perhaps you should simply go back and skim the subject matter of the last 50 posts in the religion forum and then you'll realize who is doing the attacking and who is doing the defending.

A Person wrote:
BecauseHeLives wrote:If you REALLY feel as strong as you SAY you do about this perhaps YOU should come out and protest the protesters.
I do - but not by standing outside clinics and shouting. By making sure none of my charitable donations or tax money goes to support religious organizations, by directly supporting them financially, by supporting people like Dr. Henry Morgentaler and by voting for people that understand that while no one wants an abortion, often it is the best choice and the only person that can make that decision is the woman.

Spouting bible verses as to why you think your imaginary despot might think this is a bad idea is not productive. The Bible reflects the morals of the time it was written - when an unborn child had no value. Nowhere does the Bible state abortion is murder, nowhere does it state that the imaginary soul enters the ovum at fertilization. You made that bit up. The Bible talks about the "breath of life", God "breathing life" etc. As usual you ignore what the Bible actually says and make up your own justification to support your presuppositions.

Wrong. In so many ways.

BTW AP... I'm up here in the great white north this week and I've ran into some of the most unGodly people in my life. The beer joints outnumber the churches by at least 20-1 and churches I have seen seem to be the new age stuff. Maybe you had a hand in it?

BecauseHeLives wrote:
Absolute bull$#it! Abortion is NOT always selfish. There are women who feel that terminating the pregnancy is better than allowing a child to be born into this world. If she thinks she is doing that child a favor, that's not selfish.

Sounds like to me that you are saying it IS selfish MOST of the time but not ALL the time. If that's the case statistics would back that up. I've posted those stats here before that show the VAST majority of women have abortions for selfish reasons.

When I said "NOT always" I didn't quantify other than saying it's not 100%. The statistics you've posted before? Let's not go into that again!

BecauseHeLives wrote:You NEVER do a child a favor by killing them. If that was the case people would be killing 2-3 year olds.

Umm, actually people are killing young children, and some of these folks say it's because God told 'em to do it.

BecauseHeLives wrote:
...and you'll continue to attack atheists because you think it's synonymous with amoral.

Good grief! It's the atheists attacking Christianity in these forums here. Not the other way around. If you believe it is the Christians on this board attacking the atheists then you aren't reading the same forums that I am. Perhaps you should simply go back and skim the subject matter of the last 50 posts in the religion forum and then you'll realize who is doing the attacking and who is doing the defending.

Seriously, quit it with the "they started it" nonsense. These forums are full of everyone starting threads to egg each other on. The point of my statement is directly related to the subject of this thread. Atheists are treated as though they are without morals because they don't share your belief in God from which you draw your morals or guidelines for "how to live right". So even if there are stats to support more Christians having abortions than atheists having abortions, you still come up with your own determination that the woman wasn't truly a Christian to negate a statistic that isn't in your favor.

Likewise, you can't cite the religion forum as a measure of who attacks whom because some contributors post waaaay more frequently than others. You have contributors like SFI who initiate threads daily, and then b@ts#it-crazy contributors like RD who are only able to initiate threads when (I guess) he gets out of his padded cell, er, gets away from the pulpit.

BecauseHeLives wrote:Wrong. In so many ways.

Well that convinced me.

BecauseHeLives wrote:BTW AP... I'm up here in the great white north this week and I've ran into some of the most unGodly people in my life. The beer joints outnumber the churches by at least 20-1 and churches I have seen seem to be the new age stuff. Maybe you had a hand in it?

Yes my plan is nearing fruition. I have already diverted the UK from righteousness to beer, and have nearly succeeded here. The next step is the US.

Fear me, for I am the antichrist and your God is powerless against me and my brewery.

Beerelzibud

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BecauseHeLives wrote:BTW AP... I'm up here in the great white north this week and I've ran into some of the most unGodly people in my life. The beer joints outnumber the churches by at least 20-1 and churches I have seen seem to be the new age stuff. Maybe you had a hand in it?

Yeah, isn't it crazy? The more you travel, the more you will come to the realization the rest of us have..namely how backwards your beliefs are. :roll:

Sanjuro wrote:
BecauseHeLives wrote:BTW AP... I'm up here in the great white north this week and I've ran into some of the most unGodly people in my life. The beer joints outnumber the churches by at least 20-1 and churches I have seen seem to be the new age stuff. Maybe you had a hand in it?

Yeah, isn't it crazy? The more you travel, the more you will come to the realization the rest of us have..namely how backwards your beliefs are.

Now, now... I'm just waiting for another statistic on crime rates where he's visiting... If the churches are outnumbered up there AND they're not the right flavor of church, then certainly by BHL's belief that only the Bible (the one that he follows) provides a moral compass, the crime rate MUST be higher than it is down here in the Bible belt.

You want facts? I don't think BHL does, if reality contradicts BHL's perception of how the world should be then reality must be wrong.

You're probably right, everyone knows that the US teen pregnancy rate is the worst in the developed world and on par with developing countries. The difference is that the US can afford education and contraception but chooses not to.

So let's assume he's visiting Toronto. Toronto statistics are on the poor side in Canada

In Toronto the teen pregnancy rate is 45/1000. Of these 65% end in abortion so the teen abortion rate is 29/1000

In Mississippi(I don't have full stats for North Carolina) the teen pregnancy rate is 103/1000 - more than twice as many. By restricting access to abortions, requiring parental consent and delaying things, only 30% of pregnancies result in abortion i.e. the abortion rate is 31/1000.

Obviously preventing pregnancy is far more desirable than obtaining an abortion. Mississippi achieves the same number of abortions but at the expense of a legion of unwanted pregnancies and children. But if you think that children are God's punishment for fornication it makes some twisted sense.

Give me the ungodly beer drinkers over the sanctimonious god fearers any day. At least they know how to use a condom.

A Person wrote:YYou're probably right, everyone knows that the US teen pregnancy rate is the worst in the developed world and on par with developing countries. The difference is that the US can afford education and contraception but chooses not to.

Oh, is it now?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article386048.ece