·  News ·  Travel ·  Food ·  Arts ·  Science ·  Sports ·  Advice ·  Religion ·  Life ·  Greensboro · 

Experimenting on kids

by A Person | Published on November 19th, 2009, 5:05 pm | Life
MN Daily With the birth of his son 15 years ago, dedicated linguist d’Armond Speers embarked on the ultimate experiment: He spoke to him only in Klingon — the language of the alien race of “Star Trek” fame — for the first three years of his life.

“I was interested in the question of whether my son, going through his first language acquisition process, would acquire it like any human language,” Speers said. “He was definitely starting to learn it.”

...
As for Speers, who still gets nostalgic when he recalls singing the Klingon lullaby “May the Empire Endure” with his son at bedtime, the experiment was a dud. His son is now in high school and doesn’t speak a word of Klingon.

Although some of the things he’s done lead people to believe he’s a “Star Trek” fanatic, Speers said it’s actually a passion for language that attracts him to Klingon.

“I don’t go to ‘Star Trek’ conventions, I don’t wear the fake forehead,” he said. “I’m a linguist.”


Oh well, that's all right then.

Wired "I had a tremendously hard time talking to him about everyday things," Speers confesses. Klingon's vocabulary at the time was only about 2,000 words, and it lacked some crucial vocabulary, such as words for bottle and diaper.

So Speers found himself using "thing which is flat" for table. "Alec very rarely spoke back to me in Klingon, although when he did, his pronunciation was excellent and he never confused English words with Klingon words," Speers says. "But we did sing Klingon songs together." (A RealAudio file of Alec singing is at www.bigfoot.com/~dspeers/klingon/resources.htm.) "Eventually he stopped listening to me when I spoke in Klingon. It was clear that he didn't enjoy it, and I didn't want to make it into a problem, so I switched to English about two years ago."


I think he is a 'thing which is dorky'
 
 
That doesn't make any sense at all. If you speak to kids enough in a foreign language they do pick it up. Ours both know basic phrases and numbers in Spanish, and since we've been learning Welsh they've actually picked up on it quicker than us. The phrase "their brains are like a sponge" is really true. Our youngest sucks up language like a straw. If we spoke in these languages more often, I have no doubt they would be fluent.
This is our chance to change things, this is our destiny.
November 20th, 2009, 7:24 am
User avatar
Liv
I show you something fantastic and you find fault.
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
I wonder what an invented language like Klingon has that would fascinate a professional linguist? Particularly one that isn't fleshed out with a vocabulary that would work outside of an adventure film script? Surely as a linguist, he was aware of the awkward shortcomings of Klingon before he started this idiotic effort...

You want to experiment with your own kid's language acquisition, use a properly invented language like Esperanto, or a dead language like Latin. And teach him how to write in Egyptian.

I wonder what phrase he used for "diaper"? "Thing that holds excrement?"
:roll:
November 20th, 2009, 7:38 am
User avatar
SouthernFriedInfidel
 
Location: 5th circle of hell -- actually not very crowded at the moment.
SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:I wonder what an invented language like Klingon has that would fascinate a professional linguist?

I think an invented and arbitrary language might well be more difficult to learn than an evolved one. When you think about it evolved languages have had millenia to weed out the things that don't work well, sounds that are difficult to distinguish or make etc. Esperanto, although artificial, is based on successful evolved languages.

It's a valid area of study, but of course an uncontrolled experiment on your own child is hardly very scientific.
November 20th, 2009, 1:01 pm
User avatar
A Person
 
Location: Slightly west of the Great White North
A Person wrote:It's a valid area of study, but of course an uncontrolled experiment on your own child is hardly very scientific.

Well, if this guy DID end up going to Star Trek conventions, he could probably recruit a hundred of those folks to donate their babies' time for research.
:lol:
November 20th, 2009, 1:08 pm
User avatar
SouthernFriedInfidel
 
Location: 5th circle of hell -- actually not very crowded at the moment.
FYI, I'm definitely not a Trekkie but a bit of a Welshie.... sooooooo.... anyways.... Klingon actually has some basis in real speech.... well... at least they suspect...
November 21st, 2009, 7:27 pm
User avatar
Liv
I show you something fantastic and you find fault.
 
Location: Greensboro, NC

Return to Life