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What would Jesus, sorry, I do?

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Published on December 1st, 2009, 11:55 am
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Creating God in one's own image

For many religious people, the popular question "What would Jesus do?" is essentially the same as "What would I do?" That's the message from an intriguing and controversial new study by Nicholas Epley from the University of Chicago. Through a combination of surveys, psychological manipulation and brain-scanning, he has found that when religious Americans try to infer the will of God, they mainly draw on their own personal beliefs.

Psychological studies have found that people are always a tad egocentric when considering other people's mindsets. They use their own beliefs as a starting point, which colours their final conclusions. Epley found that the same process happens, and then some, when people try and divine the mind of God. Their opinions on God's attitudes on important social issues closely mirror their own beliefs. If their own attitudes change, so do their perceptions of what God thinks. They even use the same parts of their brain when considering God's will and their own opinions.

Religion provides a moral compass for many people around the world, colouring their views on everything from martyrdom to abortion to homosexuality. But Epley's research calls the worth of this counsel into question, for it suggests that inferring the will of God sets the moral compass to whatever direction we ourselves are facing. He says, "Intuiting God's beliefs on important issues may not produce an independent guide, but may instead serve as an echo chamber to validate and justify one's own beliefs."


No kidding. :lol:

(See also New Scientist
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I'll never forget the day in college that I saw this in action most openly. In my first political science class, we had a fundamentalist, right-winger fellow who was dead sure he knew what God wanted in all political issues of the day. One day, while the country was agonizing over whether to turn the Panama Canal over to Panama, he wandered in before class and wrote up on the chalkboard "Keep the Canal America! It's God's Will!"

I asked him when he got that communique from God... cause I prayed a lot in those days, and I sure hadn't heard anything of the sort from Above.

As you might expect, he blustered his way into picking a fight on a completely different subject. :roll:
December 1st, 2009, 12:15 pm
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God created man in his own image then man returned the favor
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December 2nd, 2009, 10:32 am
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A Person wrote:
Creating God in one's own image

"Intuiting God's beliefs on important issues may not produce an independent guide, but may instead serve as an echo chamber to validate and justify one's own beliefs."


No kidding. :lol:

(See also New Scientist


This is old news. Humans have always attempted to create new ways to justify their actions and beliefs.

Matthew 7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

There is Truth and there is lie. You can either confrom to truth or confrom to lie.

Does truth change? Or is that simply ones opinions?

The echo chamber effect only occurs when your faith is empty. You say you belive in one thing and you do another.

Just because I say I believe in God, dosen't mean I follow God.

Love and obedience is important.

1 John 4:8
"He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love."

1 John 14:15-17
15`If you love me, you will obey me.
16I will ask my Father. He will give you another one to help you and to be with you always.
17He will send you the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive the true Spirit because it does not see or know him. You know him because he is with you and will be in you.

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Jeremiah 29:13
"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart."

Hebrews 11:6
"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."

Acts 17:27
"God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us."

1 John 4:1
"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."
December 2nd, 2009, 2:38 pm
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I've always simplified it down to "God is an excuse".

When they hang people, kill people, deny people rights.... it's because of God.

If they succeed, do well in life... it's because of God.

I do remember there way a religious movement in the 90s to redefine "God" as some metaphorical representation within oneself.... though not sure where that stands today. I mentioned it to my parents when I was younger and the cringed and said something to the effect that suggesting "those people", "pity them".
This is our chance to change things, this is our destiny.
December 4th, 2009, 9:53 am
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Liv wrote:I do remember there way a religious movement in the 90s to redefine "God" as some metaphorical representation within oneself

Thou art God, Grok thyself
December 4th, 2009, 12:43 pm
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That'll work.
December 4th, 2009, 1:02 pm
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God is real!

Here tell me this.

The entire universe had to have had a "entity" that created it. This "entity" can not have a greater cause.

This "entity" had to make intelligent life.

What fits this definition?
December 4th, 2009, 4:03 pm
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ecofox wrote:The entire universe had to have had a "entity" that created it. This "entity" can not have a greater cause.

This "entity" had to make intelligent life.

What fits this definition?




The entire universe had to have had a "entity" that created it
This "entity" can not have a greater cause.
This "entity" had to make intelligent life.
All of these assertions are unsupported.

If your premises are false, your conclusion is false
December 4th, 2009, 5:23 pm
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ecofox wrote:God is real!

Here tell me this.

The entire universe had to have had a "entity" that created it. This "entity" can not have a greater cause.

Special pleading. Invalid. You assume that everything much have a prior cause... except for your chosen first cause. Have you examined the logic there?

This "entity" had to make intelligent life.

Why do you say this? Intelligence can just as readily evolve as much as eyes or hands. Sounds like more special pleading. Invalid.
What fits this definition?

Let me guess what your chosen answer would be... :lol:
December 4th, 2009, 6:05 pm
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SFI wrote:Special pleading. Invalid. You assume that everything much have a prior cause... except for your chosen first cause. Have you examined the logic there?


Yes. It's not special pleading because I had already considered the alternatives and found them to be lacking.

Everything must have a prior cause.

EXCEPT the cause of the universe!

If John made Joe and Joe made Bob. Then John is the ultimate cause.
If John required something to create him and his creator required someone to create him the ball would keep rolling back and back and back and there would be no cause therefore no creation.

There must be at least one "thing" "entity" that has no prior cause other wise nothing would exist.

To deny this would be to deny science and logic!

So the cause of the universe must be some "thing" that has to be self existent and always existed.
December 5th, 2009, 10:51 am
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ecofox wrote:Yes. It's not special pleading because I had already considered the alternatives and found them to be lacking.


BAWAHAHAHA

That reminds me of a TV detective who said "I eliminated all the other suspects because I damn well knew it was you"

It IS special pleading but you are claiming that it is justified special pleading and asking us to trust your impartial and exhaustive considerations of the alternatives. You will understand if I decide not to when I have seen that your impartial and exhaustive considerations of evolution consists of going to Creation Ministries and believing everything you read there. Since you are not omniscient you cannot have examined ALL the alternatives

ecofox wrote:Everything must have a prior cause. EXCEPT the cause of the universe!
Why? Why can there not be a creator of the creator of universes? Why does this creator have to be an intelligent being and not some natural phenomenon?

Ecofox is working his way through the same tired old arguments for God without understanding them first. I predict Pascal's Wager will be appearing soon, then Ecofox will declare himself the winner and go off having achieved 100 God points for preaching to infidels.
December 5th, 2009, 11:26 am
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ecofox wrote:Everything must have a prior cause.

EXCEPT the cause of the universe!

If John made Joe and Joe made Bob. Then John is the ultimate cause.
If John required something to create him and his creator required someone to create him the ball would keep rolling back and back and back and there would be no cause therefore no creation.

There must be at least one "thing" "entity" that has no prior cause other wise nothing would exist.

To deny this would be to deny science and logic!

So the cause of the universe must be some "thing" that has to be self existent and always existed.


Are you old enough to remember when answering machines had cassette tapes? The ones that didn't rewind? It was an endless loop where your outgoing message played over and over again. There was no beginning, there was no end, yet every time the phone rang a message was "created" for the listener.
December 5th, 2009, 4:42 pm
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