Preacher pushed off of a ledge

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The fact that somebody would purposely push a preacher (or anybody) off of a ledge is bad enough. But, the mob mentality of the people around displays the the intolerance that so many of them supposed pride themselves on "having". Perhaps if this was in another country there would have been calls to crucify him.



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November 4th, 2009, 10:11 pm
 
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A female MTSU student was booked for simple assault at the Rutherford County jail Tuesday after a confrontation with a visiting preacher a few hours earlier at the university.

Michaela Morales, a junior social work major, according to Sidelines newspaper, faces charges after visiting preacher John McGlone fell in an altercation with Morales at MTSU.
McGlone was being treated at MTMC emergency room where he was in stable condition, a hospital spokeswoman said.

According to MTSU spokesman Tom Tozer, three preachers from Pinpoint Evangelism were on campus for the purpose of distributing literature when the incident happened. The three were given permission to be on the Keathley University Center Knoll by university officials.

"A female student claims she was groped by one of the three[/b]," said Tozer. "[b]She pushed him down some steps off the KUC and his chest hit one of the trash cans below. I don't know how seriously he was injured."

Gene Fitch, dean of student life, said McGlone and his group had permission to speak on the knoll between 11 a.m. and 4 p.m. They had business cards with Bible verses on them to hand out.

Fitch arrived on the knoll after the altercation and about the same time the Rutherford County Emergency Medical Service ambulance arrived between 2 and 3 p.m.

Tozer said MTSU Police responded to the call. The female student claimed that she acted in self-defense, Tozer said. They took her to the police station where police were also getting statements from witnesses about what they saw.
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“Preaching” extremely offensive
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“If your daughter was raped, would you ask her what she was wearing?”

This became my battle cry Tuesday. Over the course of two-and-a-half hours, I asked this question dozens of times, screaming at the top of my voice, but I never received an answer.

On my way to philosophy class on Tuesday morning, I encountered three “preachers” carrying vinyl picket signs proclaiming the dangers of hellfire for fornicators, homosexuals, drunkards and “immodest women.” I never made it to class.

Only one of the men was preaching at a time, while the other two held a sign and a video camera, respectively. I approached him and inquired as to why his sign targeted immodest women rather than immodest people.

His reply was that the Bible commands women to dress modestly in order to prevent men from lusting after them and that, “If a woman goes around in revealing clothing, she is responsible for the consequences of her actions.” I asked if that referred to rape, to which he said, “It sure does, young lady.”

I felt shocked beyond sadness and fear. I was angry. I was enraged, actually, that this man would dare to come to a campus half-full of women, one in eight of whom will be raped during her time in college and tell us that we could be held responsible for that.

I began chanting over his message of hate the words, “Rape is never a woman’s fault. Women never deserve to be raped.”

A small crowd began to form and he began to engage me again, taunting me in front of the crowd.

“Have you ever been raped young lady?” he asked me.

Everyone watching us stopped talking and just stared at him, unable to believe he had just asked such a personal and offensive question.

I wavered for a second, my heart sped up and I felt obscenely vulnerable, but I looked at the people around me and realized that lying to him would defeat my whole purpose of confronting him in the first place. My voice did not shake when I responded, “Yes, sir. Have you?”

He then informed me that my problem was that I was making his universal violent and misogynist statements personally.

He said that being raped was the reason that I haven’t been able to enter a relationship with God. When I replied that God and I were on fine terms, he called me a liar.

He told me I hated God, that I was, in fact, God’s enemy. He called me a fornicator. He asked me if being raped made it OK that I am a lesbian.

By this point, a large crowd had gathered. His degradation and hate speech only intensified once he had an audience to fuel him.

He told two Muslim men who came to speak to him that they were going to hell. He told a gay man the same thing. He was belligerent and angry, refusing to answer any questions posed to him.

When the crowd began to get hostile, he stopped talking and indicated that his partner was going to preach now. They tag-teamed like this, angering the crowd and taunting students, calling them fornicators, baby murderers and hypocrites. In short, they incited a riot.

Eventually another young woman ended up directly in front of him, pushed too close by the rapidly intensifying mass of students.

This so-called preacher barred his arm across her chest in an attempt to move her away from him. She stood her ground and loudly requested several times that he remove his arm from her breasts.

She was heard to say by the crowd, “You are sexually assaulting me now. Please stop.”

Campus police and Gene Fitch, dean of student life, saw all of this and did nothing.

However, when the same woman, after having her pleas for him to stop touching her ignored, retaliated, they took action. In an attempt to move him off her, she shoved him away. Due to the rain and the precarious location of the impromptu protest, the man fell to the ground.

Fitch stated that “We can’t appear to condone behavior like that on this campus,” and the woman was arrested.

The man who sexually assaulted her and verbally assaulted hundreds of students was escorted off campus by police “for his own safety” and taken to the hospital. He sustained no serious injuries.

I find this repulsive. I feel violated. I feel as though my university and its administration let me down. When a man is permitted to come uninvited and publicly humiliate students, damn them and even put his hands on them without consequence, it sends an alarming message.

It says that we are not safe on this campus. It says that we do not care about the rights of our women. It says that hate speech is more protected than our bodies.

Arresting this young woman for defending herself was inexplicable and coincided beautifully with the preacher’s message that a woman is responsible if she is raped. She should be commended for having the strength and courage to protect her body from an unprovoked assault.

Then again, what was she wearing?
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Hm. Sounds like this story has at least a few layers to it. This sort of thing really makes me wonder about people. All someone has to do is say he's a "minister of the Gospel" and he will be allowed to do virtually anything while getting an unreasonable benefit of moral acceptance from believers.
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So the guy tripped during a boob graze?
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Liv wrote:So the guy tripped during a boob graze?

According to the second posting that AP found, the "preacher of the Gospel of peace" had his arm pressed against the girl's boobs long enough that she had time to demand at least a few times that he stop. Do you call that "a graze"?
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Really comes down to how cute he is.
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Liv wrote:Really comes down to how cute he is.

Physically or emotionally? Seems to me Adonis would be mighty ugly if he said you had deserved to be raped if you were wearing certain clothes at the time.
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Yeah, probably not... it's only the whack jobs who graze my boobs.
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BecauseHeLives wrote:The fact that somebody would purposely push a preacher (or anybody) off of a ledge is bad enough. But, the mob mentality of the people around displays the the intolerance that so many of them supposed pride themselves on "having". Perhaps if this was in another country there would have been calls to crucify him.

So now that other sides of the story are out on the net, do you have a different view of the incident? Or do you assume that anyone saying something against a preacher can be assumed to be a liar?
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Our students are learning communism at an alarming rate. They do not understand the value of free speech.
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November 5th, 2009, 9:27 am
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BecauseHeLives wrote:Our students are learning communism at an alarming rate. They do not understand the value of free speech.

Your second video does not mention the woman's stated version of events. Have you read the articles that were posted? Or are you going to just ignore them like your video person does? Do you even CARE what the woman's side of the story is?

Now, I can't also help but wonder what makes you think this has ANYTHING to do with "communism"? Do you even know what the term means?
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It might have been better had the students simply ignored the 'preachers' who seem to be following the Westboro School of Theology. The set out to attract and provoke a crowd and achieved their result. The girl who pushed the 'preacher' may or may not have intended him to fall from the ledge. Her apparent exultation after he fell looks unfeeling.

But - to apply the 'preacher's own logic - he asked for it. His provocative insults, actions and behaviour invited an assault, which he received at the hands of a raped girl he was verbally bullying and blaming for inviting her own assault.

I hope the irony is not lost on him.
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It certainly seems to have escaped BHL. :animals-chickencatch:
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BecauseHeLives wrote:Our students are learning communism at an alarming rate. They do not understand the value of free speech.


Is anyone else's gaydar going off here. The video... I mean of the guy?
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Liv wrote:
BecauseHeLives wrote:Our students are learning communism at an alarming rate. They do not understand the value of free speech.

Is anyone else's gaydar going off here. The video... I mean of the guy?

Anyone who is so vehement regarding sexual matters, I'd say should be suspected as living rather deeply in the closet.
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It appears that most of you have adopted the mob mentality of using force to stop the free speech of another person. How is that going to help all of the bleeding liberal causes you all support. The man even had a proper permit to speak at the college.
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Answer the question, Lynch-boy. If the students' stories are correct, was the girl justified in responding to a sexual assault from an abusive preacher? Or does "truth" have any meaning to you?
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:Answer the question, Lynch-boy. If the students' stories are correct, was the girl justified in responding to a sexual assault from an abusive preacher? Or does "truth" have any meaning to you?


No. She wasn't justified in using force.

I think its way more likely she was more obnoxious than the preacher. Did you even watch the film? She seems to be a trailer trash slut wannabe.
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Firstly the preacher has no right to 'free speech' at the college, that's why he needed a permit.

No one here had advocated using violence, you've imagined that. But I also think that some hateful speech should not be permitted in a civilized society and demands an immediate response. Anyone inciting violence or hatred against people or generally being Phred Phelps, for example, should be shut down and if he gets a few bruises in the process, so be it

I would suggest though that if you feel the need to give a provocative, inflammatory sermon about how girls are responsible for being raped, don't do it standing on a ledge where a push by a little raped girl, deliberate or otherwise, will cause you to fall off.

I'd also not recommend not going into a biker bar and asking "What's the difference between a Harley and a Hoover"* Not because I advocate violence, but rather that it's a predictable outcome of your actions


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Ha! I came across this rebuttal video by the preacher himself. He apparently recorded the entire event. The article written (submitted by AP) was obviously full of lies and half truths. Enjoy. :P


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BecauseHeLives wrote:
SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:Answer the question, Lynch-boy. If the students' stories are correct, was the girl justified in responding to a sexual assault from an abusive preacher? Or does "truth" have any meaning to you?


No. She wasn't justified in using force.

really. So if your own daughter gets groped, you would not respond with any violence? You will teach her that a preacher can touch any part of her that he sees fit? Or does your daughter have different rights from this college student?
I think its way more likely she was more obnoxious than the preacher. Did you even watch the film? She seems to be a trailer trash slut wannabe.

Yeah. And sluts don't deserve to expect men to keep their hands off their breasts, do they?
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:
BecauseHeLives wrote:
SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:Answer the question, Lynch-boy. If the students' stories are correct, was the girl justified in responding to a sexual assault from an abusive preacher? Or does "truth" have any meaning to you?


No. She wasn't justified in using force.

really. So if your own daughter gets groped, you would not respond with any violence? You will teach her that a preacher can touch any part of her that he sees fit? Or does your daughter have different rights from this college student?
I think its way more likely she was more obnoxious than the preacher. Did you even watch the film? She seems to be a trailer trash slut wannabe.

Yeah. And sluts don't deserve to expect men to keep their hands off their breasts, do they?


The article was all lies. View the last posted video. It was the students who were aggressive, obnoxious and instigating.
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Well that was 90 minutes of my life I'd like back.

BHL, can you tell me where in that tedious film it shows the circumstances around the preacher being pushed? Or did you not watch it yourself?

Yes the crowd was arguing with the preachers. Yes the preacher did say a man who raped a woman had no excuse - but then proceeded to excuse it by saying the woman was also at fault for provoking it.
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Preacher castigating girls for dressing provocatively

There was no video of the alleged breast touching and from what I have read in various places it seems unlikely that, if it happened, it was a deliberate act. There was also no video of the preacher being pushed/falling off.

However, if we assume that the girl viciously attacked the preacher, let me say as the preacher did, there is no excuse for the girl's attack but the preacher was also at fault for provoking it by acting immodestly
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More provocative girls

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