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I Hope the Gay Marriage Ban Suceeds in North Carolina

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by I show you something fantastic and you find fault.
Published on March 7th, 2007, 9:28 pm
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The last few days have involved my existence as defined by the walls of my cubicle and a computer screen with screaming customers in my ear. To top this all off I've been sick. During the last few days the religious gatherings of insecure older Christians, made an attempt to suggest our state, my North Carolina should be so proactive as to ban gay marriage.

It's not as if we haven't talked about gay marriage a million times on Greensboring, or in blogsboro, or on TV, newspaper, or at the water-cooler. Even the supporters of gay marriage aren't all that worried, knowing our democratic state government would never allow such a travesty to take place. But..

(Begin Rant)

... in a worst case scenario what if these individuals, these conservative individuals who have to take it upon themselves to protect their marriage succeed?

What would it change? Would it drive the gays out of North Carolina. Would it make gay people think about their actions, repent, and become straight?

Or would it cause a downward spiral that would cause the the country to finally address the issue, once and for all? Could it backfire? Could it be possible that for all the complaining, or their sissified whining, they get exactly the opposite of what they want. Could North Carolina be the catalyst that causes us to legalize a parallel legal entity similar to marriage?

I hope so.

(Duck out now if your sensitive.)

I hope they get exactly the opposite of what they ask. I hope they get this shoved down there throat so hard, they never try to force their close-minded bigoted ways on others. No, I'm not being mean, I'm sick of hearing this state in the news, day in and day out for being against gays, against gay marriage, against this, against that? Get the hell over it people. Nothing I, nor anyone else can say is going to change your mind... and nothing you do or say is going to change some hairy men, rubbing up against themselves in some loving moment that would make you close your eyes and hail Mary. All I ask is you shut the hell up. (expletive) happens. Gay people exist, and I'll make you a deal. I won't tell you you can't have a gun, if you stop telling two women they can't exclude your uneducated, backwoods, bible-beating, heterosexual men from their love lives. Go find better things to do with your time, like feed the homeless, save Darfur, or go to read your bible. Hell, for all I care go burn Harry Potter books if you have to, but for Christ's sake stop blaming gay marriage for encroaching on your Viagra filled, penis pumped, missionary style, heterosexual marriage that will end up in divorce or some modern excuse for slavery. If you can't love thy neighbor, how can you possibly love YOUR partner?

(It gets worse)

No, come out in droves, protest with all your like-minded friends, and go ahead and try to ruin peoples lives. You did it with slavery, you did it with women's rights, do you honestly think your going to be successful this time? Discrimination and bigotry are not the work of any God, and if this is how you believe, if you think you must take it upon yourself to tear apart families, uproot citizens, to flush out your neighbors; well, then, you might be surprised exactly who that effects. It might be your neighbor, your son or daughter, and it may be this action, this revolution, that you're so sure you must be fought, that disallows your salvation. At the very least, it could, and may be the beginning of an outcome you find less then acceptable. I hope to god there comes a day when gay people can walk down the street without fear, or hate. That they can look you in the face holding one another's hands and say thank you for setting them free. Free at last, free at last.
Last edited by Liv on March 8th, 2007, 8:05 am, edited 1 time in total.
March 7th, 2007, 9:28 pm   Share
 
I'm guessing you're pro gay marriage.
March 7th, 2007, 9:34 pm
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Kind of have to be.... or I'd be (expletive) up a creek.
March 7th, 2007, 9:36 pm
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It's a nice wish but it ain't gonna happen. My partner and I left NC 11 years ago to move to a more 'progressive' state and it ain't happened here in California either. While there are still elderly 'thumpers' and continually growing megachurches [i.e. Westover church...formerly known as Independent Presbyterian Church where there was sexual scandal in the 60's] the hypocracy of 'protecting marriage' will continue. It's a nice thought, though.
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March 8th, 2007, 12:03 pm
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Liv wrote:(Duck out now if your sensitive.).......I won't tell you you can't have a gun, if you stop telling two women they can't exclude your uneducated, backwoods, bible-beating, heterosexual men from their love lives. ....go ahead and try to ruin peoples lives. You did it with slavery, you did it with women's rights, do you honestly think your going to be successful this time? Discrimination and bigotry are not the work of any God, and if this is how you believe, if you think you must take it upon yourself to tear apart families, uproot citizens, to flush out your neighbors; well, then, you might be surprised exactly who that effects.

Ummmm, Liv, would you stop beating around the bush and tell us what you really think about gay marriage??? :mrgreen:
August 26th, 2007, 1:23 pm
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So I guess you mean that anyone who disagrees with gay marriage is a gun-toting fag-hating Republican who thinks being gay is a sinful choice. Well I happen to stand absolutely against discrimination of homosexuals, I happen to believe it is neither sinful nor a choice to be queer, and yes, I happen to be against gay marriage. Sorry, but I guess that makes me a gay-hater deep down. You preach about not discriminating, but you do it too. You discriminate against people for having a disagreeing point of view. So you are saying that anyone against gay marriage is a uneducated, backwoods, bible-beating, heterosexual men? I am very educated on this issue and many others. True, I am backwoods. Why do you imply that loving nature, living off the land, and working with one's own hands is wrong? I follow Christ's teachings. Love one another. I love homosexuals as much as I love straight people and the Lord. I even love you, even as you discriminate against me. Yes, those people trying to pass the Gay Marriage Ban in North Carolina are bigots who hate gays. Respond to their hate with love and pity. Love them as people who obviously need it. Pity them for their ignorance and terrible, blind hatred. Just don't judge them for their hatred before considering the hatred that exists within your heart. Not everyone who disagrees with same-sex marriage is a bigot or hates queer people; it might just be a different opinion.
January 10th, 2008, 11:02 pm
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I've seen this before....

I heard a similar speech from someone, but they happened to be extremely high....I can only wonder... :|
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January 10th, 2008, 11:09 pm
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IgnoranceIsBliss wrote:I've seen this before....

I heard a similar speech from someone, but they happened to be extremely high....I can only wonder... :|


Yep, this is just idiotic, right? "I hope to god there comes a day when gay people can walk down the street without fear, or hate. That they can look you in the face holding one another's hands and say thank you for setting them free. Free at last, free at last. " :D

I mean it's really stupid to want to live without fear, huh? :D So, what do you think about gays and what should we do with/ to them? :D Can you even write an opinion about something without having BHL lay it out for you? :D How about giving your ideas here instead of your usual smarmy remarks. How about a whole paragraph for once. :D

What rights do you think gay partners should have, say in medical decisions when there is no living will yet the the relationship is known? What about the children of gay couples? Should a sperm donor/ birth surrogate have parental rights because the child's parents are of the same sex? What about when the parents are hetero?
January 10th, 2008, 11:36 pm
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Nfidel wrote:
IgnoranceIsBliss wrote:I've seen this before....

I heard a similar speech from someone, but they happened to be extremely high....I can only wonder... :|


Yep, this is just idiotic, right? "I hope to god there comes a day when gay people can walk down the street without fear, or hate. That they can look you in the face holding one another's hands and say thank you for setting them free. Free at last, free at last. " :D

I mean it's really stupid to want to live without fear, huh? :D So, what do you think about gays and what should we do with/ to them? :D Can you even write an opinion about something without having BHL lay it out for you? :D How about giving your ideas here instead of your usual smarmy remarks. How about a whole paragraph for once. :D

What rights do you think gay partners should have, say in medical decisions when there is no living will yet the the relationship is known? What about the children of gay couples? Should a sperm donor/ birth surrogate have parental rights because the child's parents are of the same sex? What about when the parents are hetero?


Wait, is this directed at me or IgnoranceIsBliss?
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January 11th, 2008, 1:44 am
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IgnoranceIsBliss wrote:I've seen this before....

I heard a similar speech from someone, but they happened to be extremely high....I can only wonder... :|


Ouch, I think I'll need some aloe for that burn. That was real pithy, very succinct. I especially liked the part where you implied that you disagreed, and then didn't discuss anything. You are quite obviously well read and have a mastery of the art of written argument.
January 11th, 2008, 1:51 am
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Acer wrote-
Wait, is this directed at me or IgnoranceIsBliss?


Well, I intended it for Ignorance, but I hadn't seen your post. I don't know how that happened. So... if IIB was responding to you, I apologize to her/him for the tone of my post, but would like her/him to go ahead and answer the questions which IIB thinks apply to IIB. Sorry for any inconvenience. I suppose I could have edited or deleted my post because it is embarrassing, but I would rather not.

As to your post, Acer, well it isn't discrimination when someone does not agree with you, that's just disagreement. Limiting your rights or refusing you service of some kind would be discrimination. I am intrigued that you are completely fine with homosexuality yet are against homosexuals having the right to marry. Why is this? Is this a religion based opinion? Is it political?
January 11th, 2008, 7:41 am
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I wonder if the best solution all around would be for the government to change their laws to read "domestic partnership" and open it up to all consenting pairs of adults? Churches could carry on with "marriages" and exercise the control they want over the concept, while homosexual couples would have access to the legal rights they ought to have anyway.

Is there a problem with this for anyone?
January 11th, 2008, 7:56 am
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:I wonder if the best solution all around would be for the government to change their laws to read "domestic partnership" and open it up to all consenting pairs of adults? Churches could carry on with "marriages" and exercise the control they want over the concept, while homosexual couples would have access to the legal rights they ought to have anyway.

Is there a problem with this for anyone?


I completely agree with this, SFI.
January 11th, 2008, 8:28 am
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I think the idea you put forth is exactly the way it should be. It's the only way to give equal rights.
January 11th, 2008, 9:07 am
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:I wonder if the best solution all around would be for the government to change their laws to read "domestic partnership" and open it up to all consenting pairs of adults? Churches could carry on with "marriages" and exercise the control they want over the concept, while homosexual couples would have access to the legal rights they ought to have anyway.

Is there a problem with this for anyone?

Not a problem for me!
January 11th, 2008, 4:56 pm
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Nfidel wrote:
Acer wrote-
Wait, is this directed at me or IgnoranceIsBliss?


Well, I intended it for Ignorance, but I hadn't seen your post. I don't know how that happened. So... if IIB was responding to you, I apologize to her/him for the tone of my post, but would like her/him to go ahead and answer the questions which IIB thinks apply to IIB. Sorry for any inconvenience. I suppose I could have edited or deleted my post because it is embarrassing, but I would rather not.

As to your post, Acer, well it isn't discrimination when someone does not agree with you, that's just disagreement. Limiting your rights or refusing you service of some kind would be discrimination. I am intrigued that you are completely fine with homosexuality yet are against homosexuals having the right to marry. Why is this? Is this a religion based opinion? Is it political?


It's religious, I'm Catholic. And not one of those Catholics. I take my faith seriously and don't use it to just identify myself or to justify bigotry or anti-semitism.
When I said discrimination I was talking about her stereotype of backwoods folks. Not everyone in the backwoods is some ignorant prejudiced prick. But I see what you're saying, I really didn't make my point as obvious as I should have.
January 13th, 2008, 9:13 pm
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When I said discrimination I was talking about her stereotype of backwoods folks. Not everyone in the backwoods is some ignorant prejudiced prick.


Of course we aren't all "ignorant prejudiced prick(s)". You'd be amazed where I live, what I drive to work and what some of my pastimes are. If someone looked at the outward trappings of my life, they would think they're seeing the consummate redneck, when nothing could be more wrong. On the other hand, if you truly live in the sticks as do I, you'll know there is lot of truth to the stereotype. The best way to fight the stereotype is by example and by doing things like posting here. When I hear the hillbilly stereotype mentioned or see it written, I'm not offended by it, but rather embarrassed that there are all too many people living up to it therefore keeping it a valid description, especially in the South. Double especially so in Florida, where you said you live.
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