Matt wrote:Liv wrote:I think even in supplimental jobs, a union can be established that understands the needs of the business and can accomplish a beneficial relationship that is both profitable for the company and lucriative for it's employees.
Unions are interested in their survival. They need dues to keep coming in to pay their payroll. Only with the threat of a plant closing to they compromise on their positions. Otherwise it's their jobs to squeeze the company for every dime they can get regardless of how the business is doing.
Why shouldn't a janitor get $70,000 for pushing a broom? What the heck do you want to pay your line supervisors and engineers then? Will you take a paycut in order for the guy emptying the trash to make more money? Are you not worried about all your schooling and experience being devalued?
You pay you line supervisors the same and tell them if they can't do there job they'll be demoted to lowly unmanley work like janitoral house cleaning.
I have heard many reasons why people say there oppsed to unions. but the one I think is most rediculous the old saying "you'll have to pay them union dues and they'll take percentage of my money."
In Charleston,sc. (We were both welders). I made 13 and hour and he(friend) told me that was good money and he made almost 16dollars an hour. I told him I was applying for union membership in Boilermakers union and he thought that was rediculous. Yeah but he was right I do have to pay 35 a month in union dues and 3or 4% of my wages but thats fine because after Union fees I still make twice as much as he does starting out in his nonunion job,doing the sme thing (welding) He still said unions are bad but my check indicates to me otherwise. Oh and as of 06-07-06 he was layed off because his nonunion companyy went to mexico and they werent even union,so now he's working in the boilermakers union with my reference and he has no problems with the union. Union dues for you people who use this as a reason to discredit organized labor are all tax deductable and is not a added expense. Even If a labor union charged 35 percent of wages it wouldn't cost the wroker anything extra. File married and 9 AND YOU'LL NEVER NOTICE THE DIFFERENCE. The difference is your giving your hard eaned tax dollars to your Union and not your unsupportive government. I personaly would have no problem paying 45percent of my wages to my union because I would simply file as married and 9 ,I would rather pay to a potentionly corupt Union than pay to an positively corrupt goverment. Even if the union steals half of what they could provide for you you would still have atleast twice as much as thoes with non union jobs..
Companies do not pack and leave beacause of unions in America. They pack up because there are no unions in other countries to represent it's impoverished work force. If all jobs were union internationaly there would be no poverty,no unemployment,starvation, famine , and a less wars.
Oh and if you discredit unions because in your opinion they have to much of a "socialistic resemblance" Do you think the the Chinese manufactured keyboard in front of you doesn't support Socialism??? Socialism is dictated by authoritive government institutions organised labor however is democratic and allow for there worker to vote for it's reprsentatives. So if your against sociallistic ideals you should trash your communist china manufactured keyboard and buy one made in america if you can afford it with your lowpaying nonunion job.
Screw supplmental there enough money in this world for everyone to be atleast middle class . If the janitor makes 70k a year good for him but when everyone else does to hes just an averge joe all of a sudden now people would work for extra spending money versus poverty wages that still don't pay for the good things in life. If your arguement is "people who make 70k a year pushing a broom wont be competive because they already make to much money" corporate america makes alot of money, is Corporate America not competitive?
Does Bill Gates the highest payed american worker no longer competitive. Theres people in this world that have more money in there possession than a middle class worker will make in a 100 liftimes and yet they still find a reason to wake up and be competetive in the work force.Greed for money has no limits and no matter how much money you have you'll always be content with making more even when your rich. just ask corporate america it's there policy
Image a world when A parent sends there child to school and mom tells her child "see dady overthere going to work at Mcdonalds in his cheap 25thousand dollar something hybrid truck" "Don't be like dad get an education so your not flipping burgers for 70 k a year". Thats the world I want to live in. When people work more for living a lifesyle and not just to survive on what little capitalists are willing to give.
I think for the idiot person who posted that people shouldnt be required to join the unions unless they volunteer is stupid.. Would you volunteer to be paid less than your union coworkers,would you opt out of the company payed unionv regulated pension plan. You'd look like an idiot coming on a union work place and saying "hey youguys I don't want to intrude but would you please cut my pay in half and void my healthcare I would rather not have union membership please" but lucky for you dumb fools the union will still take you under there wing and provide you with the same benifits the union card sighner gets Assuming that atleast 50persent of your coworker arent dumb enough like you not to sighn the union card. email me if you have a reply
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