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Postby Liv » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:44 pm

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When it comes to basic human rights, it is there in the gutter alongside some of the world's most toxic, tinpot dictatorships and authoritarian regimes.

I wondered how the U.S. could really describe itself as a civilized, mature democracy.

And if you doubt my judgment here are a few statistics to play with in a prison system where 70 percent of the inmates are non-whites.

The U.S. has a higher percentage of its citizenry in prison than any other country in history.

25 percent of the world's prison population -- around 2.3 million -- are caged in America.

More than a quarter of U.S. inmates are black males between the ages of 20 and 39 and over the course of a lifetime, 28 percent of all black American men will have spent some time behind bars in what can only be described as a racist-driven judicial system. cite


Sure you're more likely to go to prison for drugs if your black, despite white men actually be the ones who do more of it. Sure we leave people in jails for a long time while we search for justice, but this America... and we try to get it right, right? Or do we sweep what we don't want hear and see under the rug, while newspapers from foreign nations post columns suggesting that the way we see other countries is how they see us. Is it a concept of mutual propaganda, or is one of us right and one of us wrong? Is America prisons better than other western nations, or are we doing something drastically wrong, something horrific that we're too proud of ourselves for or too ashamed of to admit?

I begin to Google:
The United States has less than 5 percent of the world's population. But it has almost a quarter of the world's prisoners.

Indeed, the United States leads the world in producing prisoners, a reflection of a relatively recent and now entirely distinctive American approach to crime and punishment. Americans are locked up for crimes - from writing bad checks to using drugs - that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.

Criminologists and legal scholars in other industrialized nations say they are mystified and appalled by the number and length of American prison sentences.

The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King's College London. cite


Of course when you consider the prison for profit system is profiting from all this in our capitalistic state, it all starts to come together.
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Postby Cullen Abernethy » Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:24 pm

We have so many laws and regulations that almost anything one does violates some law. Parking on your own lawn, letting sprigs of grass grow in your unpaved driveway, having upholstered furniture on your porch, etc. And ultimately, if you continue to violate these laws, you can be imprisoned.
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Postby Liv » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:21 pm

In 2009, over 7.2m Americans were on probation, on parole or in jail - the highest proportion of any country in the world -cite


Wow!!!
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Postby A Person » Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:01 pm

Cullen Abernethy wrote:We have so many laws and regulations that almost anything one does violates some law. Parking on your own lawn, letting sprigs of grass grow in your unpaved driveway, having upholstered furniture on your porch, etc. And ultimately, if you continue to violate these laws, you can be imprisoned.


What an insanely stupid comment.

Over half the US prison population is there as a result of the 'War on Drugs' not for breaking municipal bylaws.

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In most civilized countries, drug abuse is seen as a social problem and users are not incarcerated, only the pushers.

But there's no profit motive, surely judges and politiciansdon't have a financial interest in jails?

All countries have municipal bylaws and zoning restrictions, yet the US manages to lead the pack in incarcerations.

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Or maybe Americans are just seven times more criminally inclined than Canadians ...
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Postby Liv » Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:36 pm

I think going to jail is just part of growing up in America... like hairy armpits.
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Postby Jamy » Wed Feb 22, 2012 2:03 am

I wish they'd just legalize marijuana already. We're too damned prison-happy in this country.
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Postby A Person » Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:30 pm

Yeah, legalise doesn't mean it has to be unregulated or even approved of. Hell there's probably a whole new tax base there, just like tobacco.
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Postby Jamy » Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:09 am

A Person wrote:Yeah, legalise doesn't mean it has to be unregulated or even approved of. Hell there's probably a whole new tax base there, just like tobacco.


Don't get me started on tobacco. Smoking a plant that's a proven carcinogen is okay, but smoking a plant that actually has some benefit isn't? But yes yes, regulate it, tax it, whatever. Heaven forbid anyone try to catch a little buzz without the government's express approval and wise guiding hand. :roll:
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Postby A Person » Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:29 pm

I doubt smoking marijuana is harmless, breathing any smoke or fine particulate causes lung diseases.

I don't smoke or ingest pot, or tobacco, and I really appreciate the way that tobacco has been relagated to private homes and the open air. It has made my life so much more pleasurable. No airline flights, restaurant meals, pub nights, or even just days at the office, ruined by smoke.

I wouldn't want uncontrolled smoking of marijuana either, but the idea of imprisoning someone for a baggie of weed or a few plants in their homes, is ludicrous. I live in a forest and there is an apprecable risk to me of fire from a grow-op. They buy up a secluded house, bypass the meter, and fill it with lights and plants. Fires are not uncommon. Just like Prohibition, all to satisfy the US insatiable demand for pot. Legalize it, allow people to grow it for their own use, regulate & tax the public production, sale and use. Then perhaps we can move on and deal with more important things
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Postby Liv » Thu Feb 23, 2012 10:46 pm

Perhaps I should consider taking up smoking pot... can't crackin breath not smoking, maybe it would help.
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Postby Jamy » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:08 pm

I never said it was harmless, but so far, I don't think anyone has shown that it's a carcinogen either. That said, you are right, breathing in smoke and particulates excessively is not a good thing. As is the case with most things, moderation is the key.

A Person wrote: Legalize it, allow people to grow it for their own use, regulate & tax the public production, sale and use. Then perhaps we can move on and deal with more important things


You'll get no argument from me on that one.
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Postby Liv » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:13 pm

I agree with you Jamy... I've said it for a long time... if cigarettes are legal, so should be pot.

Never understood it.

Okay that's a lie... I do... It's about money... plain and simple... tobacco is still to big of a money maker for the US, and to do away with it would be a huge financial harm.
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Postby bamboo » Mon May 28, 2012 12:16 am

You are merging several arguments together here....This post seems to have powerful direction mainly to blacks vs whites within the American prison systems. Yes there are in fact much-much more black Americans in prison than whites, however the reason behind this is through merely the facts that more black Americans live in poverty than whites. More crimes are committed within poverty cities and neighborhoods than in suburban areas.
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