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How to grow the economy 9%-16%

by A Person | Published on September 27th, 2010, 9:25 am | News
Improve science education.

#48!
•U.S. mathematics and science K-12 education ranks 48th worldwide.

•49% of U.S. adults don't know how long it takes for the Earth to circle the sun.

•China has replaced the United States as the world's top high-technology exporter.

Although U.S. school achievement scores have stagnated, harming the economy as employers look elsewhere for competent workers, the report says that other nations have made gains.

If U.S. students matched Finland's, for example, analysis suggests the U.S. economy would grow 9%-16%. "The real point is that we have to have a well-educated workforce to create opportunities for young people," says Charles Vest, head of the National Academy of Engineering, a report sponsor. "Otherwise, we don't have a chance."

"The current economic crisis makes the link between education and employment very clear," says Steven Newton of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland.


But while nincompoops like Palin, O'Connell, Bachmann, Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity, the entire Texas legislature and Board of Eddymacation, Ben Stein & the Discovery Institute, Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, the Mormons and Southern Baptists are around - why stop at #48 when #58 is within reach.

Let's have some damn elitism for a change. It sure beats - well not even mediocrity - but rank stupidity.
 
 
Fully agree. In fact I think we could solve most of this countries problems by providing free education to Americans including college.

Just imagine what this country could accomplish if we all had batchelors or masters degrees?
This is our chance to change things, this is our destiny.
September 27th, 2010, 11:52 am
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We import the talent we need and don't have a problem doing it either. The 9%-16% number is hogwash.
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September 27th, 2010, 12:28 pm
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BecauseHeLives wrote:We import the talent we need and don't have a problem doing it either. The 9%-16% number is hogwash.

If we didn't need to import smarter people, if we educated Americans properly, the jobs the foreigners take at the high end of the tech job scale would stay in America, and the income would be spent largely here as well.
September 27th, 2010, 1:37 pm
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A Person wrote:Improve science education.

#48!
•U.S. mathematics and science K-12 education ranks 48th worldwide.

•49% of U.S. adults don't know how long it takes for the Earth to circle the sun.

•China has replaced the United States as the world's top high-technology exporter.

Although U.S. school achievement scores have stagnated, harming the economy as employers look elsewhere for competent workers, the report says that other nations have made gains.

If U.S. students matched Finland's, for example, analysis suggests the U.S. economy would grow 9%-16%. "The real point is that we have to have a well-educated workforce to create opportunities for young people," says Charles Vest, head of the National Academy of Engineering, a report sponsor. "Otherwise, we don't have a chance."

"The current economic crisis makes the link between education and employment very clear," says Steven Newton of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland.


But while nincompoops like Palin, O'Connell, Bachmann, Beck, Limbaugh and Hannity, the entire Texas legislature and Board of Eddymacation, Ben Stein & the Discovery Institute, Ken Ham, Ray Comfort, the Mormons and Southern Baptists are around - why stop at #48 when #58 is within reach.

Let's have some damn elitism for a change. It sure beats - well not even mediocrity - but rank stupidity.


Your "nincompoops" have nothing to do with it. Why would they be against education? You're not making any sense. Our educational achievement standards have been eroding for years. We were at one time the envy of the world in education. Your article does suggest a degree a truth, but your rant about "nincompoops" doesn't. Now, I wonder why.

Dr Walter E. Williams, an educator btw, brings out some good points.
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew/articles/02/integrity.html
http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/wew//articles/04/education.html
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September 27th, 2010, 1:50 pm
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Those nincompoops are influential. Since Reagan, right wing nincompoops and fundamentalist creationists have been denouncing science and scientists as being either incompetent or indulging in a world-wide conspiracy to delude the public. Elitism has been declared undesirable in a leader.

This concerted campaign is bearing fruit. You can't indoctrinate children with the message that biologists, geologists, physicists, astronomers, climatologists, meteorologists are incompetent fools who can't spot that the world is only a few thousand years old or that the world isn't warming because of human activity, and expect them to grow up being scientifically literate.

You article blaming professors is typical. University professors have to spend far too much time performing remedial education and de-indoctrinating students. That is a symptom, not the cause.

In many countries, scientists and engineers are respected and acknowledged generators of wealth. It used to be that way in the States.
September 27th, 2010, 2:44 pm
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A Person wrote:Those nincompoops are influential. Since Reagan, right wing nincompoops and fundamentalist creationists have been denouncing science and scientists as being either incompetent or indulging in a world-wide conspiracy to delude the public. Elitism has been declared undesirable in a leader.

This concerted campaign is bearing fruit. You can't indoctrinate children with the message that biologists, geologists, physicists, astronomers, climatologists, meteorologists are incompetent fools who can't spot that the world is only a few thousand years old or that the world isn't warming because of human activity, and expect them to grow up being scientifically literate.

You article blaming professors is typical. University professors have to spend far too much time performing remedial education and de-indoctrinating students. That is a symptom, not the cause.

In many countries, scientists and engineers are respected and acknowledged generators of wealth. It used to be that way in the States.


What? anecdotal evidence is all you have? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
September 27th, 2010, 3:04 pm
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thesumofyourfears wrote:What? anecdotal evidence is all you have


thesumofyourfears wrote:A lesson is in order for the gophers of junk science....science advisor??..no...hmmm....if my memory serves me, McCain-Palin fell for the global warming hoax too. With the whole MSM having an orgasm with no-bama and covering him up for his fraud with FNMA etc. the MSM is having an orgasm covering up facts of the global warming hoax. Political correctness at its finest.


thesumofyourfears wrote:oh my, how convenient for you to try to use the teachings of Jesus about the poor to promote your communist political agenda and then call the Creation a myth to promote the lies about global warming. You have no credibility.


etc.
September 27th, 2010, 3:16 pm
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A Person wrote:
thesumofyourfears wrote:What? anecdotal evidence is all you have


thesumofyourfears wrote:A lesson is in order for the gophers of junk science....science advisor??..no...hmmm....if my memory serves me, McCain-Palin fell for the global warming hoax too. With the whole MSM having an orgasm with no-bama and covering him up for his fraud with FNMA etc. the MSM is having an orgasm covering up facts of the global warming hoax. Political correctness at its finest.


thesumofyourfears wrote:oh my, how convenient for you to try to use the teachings of Jesus about the poor to promote your communist political agenda and then call the Creation a myth to promote the lies about global warming. You have no credibility.


etc.


You're side stepping, but that is to be expected with you being an atheist/or some form thereof. We may disagree on other issues, but you will not win over anyone and your premises jeering at people of faith.
If you don't believe, that is fine with me.
September 27th, 2010, 5:35 pm
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When faith and/or ideology take precedence over science then that is the inevitable result.

People that deny science and denigrate scientists, because reality contractadicts their faith or politics, deserve to be mocked.
September 27th, 2010, 8:04 pm
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A Person wrote:When faith and/or ideology take precedence over science then that is the inevitable result.

People that deny science and denigrate scientists, because reality contractadicts their faith or politics, deserve to be mocked.


AP's arrogance is shining through tonight.
September 27th, 2010, 8:45 pm
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And there is the American problem with science education encapsulated between BHL who denies and denigrates science for religious reasons and thesumofyourfears who denies and denigrates science for political reasons
September 27th, 2010, 9:25 pm
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A Person wrote:And there is the American problem with science education encapsulated between BHL who denies and denigrates science for religious reasons and thesumofyourfears who denies and denigrates science for political reasons


Someone holding a different view of how the world began than from your view is not a rejection of science. You seem to say Darwin's evolution THEORY encapsulates ALL scientific knowledge, which is simply not true.
September 28th, 2010, 5:19 am
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"Darwin's THEORY"

That says it all. Your scientific illiteracy is exposed.
September 28th, 2010, 8:48 am
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thesumofyourfears wrote:Someone holding a different view of how the world began than from your view is not a rejection of science.

Actually, it is. Science provides evidence showing the age of the universe and of the Earth using many disciplines and sources of data. To reject all of that, to insist in spite of all the evidence that the Earth and the Universe are both 10,000 years old or less, is subverting not only the particular ideas that science provides on that subject, but it attacks the very essence of science as a means of discovering facts in general.
September 28th, 2010, 9:49 am
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A Person wrote:"Darwin's THEORY"

That says it all. Your scientific illiteracy is exposed.


Excerpt from a secular source:
"In the 19th century, a man called Charles Darwin, a biologist from England, set off on the ship HMS Beagle to investigate species of the island. After spending time on the islands, he soon developed a THEORY that would contradict the creation of man and imply that all species derived from common ancestors through a process called natural selection. Natural selection is considered to be the biggest factor resulting in the diversity of species and their genomes. The principles of Darwin's work and his theory are stated below.
http://www.biology-online.org/kb/article.php?p=/2/10_natural_selection.htm


http://www.discovery.org/csc/

From a secular source:

The genius of Darwin (left), the way in which he suddenly turned all of biology upside down in 1859 with the publication of the Origin of Species, can sometimes give the misleading impression that the THEORY of evolution sprang from his forehead fully formed without any precedent in scientific history.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/history_14
September 28th, 2010, 9:51 am
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Summy digs himself deeper
September 28th, 2010, 9:55 am
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A Person wrote:Summy digs himself deeper


demonstrate
September 28th, 2010, 10:27 am
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:
thesumofyourfears wrote:Someone holding a different view of how the world began than from your view is not a rejection of science.

Actually, it is. Science provides evidence showing the age of the universe and of the Earth using many disciplines and sources of data. To reject all of that, to insist in spite of all the evidence that the Earth and the Universe are both 10,000 years old or less, is subverting not only the particular ideas that science provides on that subject, but it attacks the very essence of science as a means of discovering facts in general.


Creationist do not reject science. To think otherwise is a very narrow minded view.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/02/04/do-creationists-reject-science

From a scientist himself. I know you want read it, but that is expected of close minded leebruls
http://www.godandscience.org/

Nonetheless, as a former teacher, I can tell you that educational standards have dropped as I posted in the links yesterday above. It's been going down hill since the turbulent 1960s. I have children and I can see the difference in the standards and previous standards. They were lowered to accommodate students who underperformed. Students who failed a grade years ago had to repeat. Today, that rarely happens.
September 28th, 2010, 10:30 am
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thesumofyourfears wrote:
A Person wrote:Summy digs himself deeper


demonstrate

From the way you add the emphasis on 'THEORY' as if that somehow implies anything about it's correctness.

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thesumofyourfears wrote:Creationist do not reject science. To think otherwise is a very narrow minded view.


Creationionists reject any science that contradicts their narrow minded view (which is virtually everything). You need look no further than AiG statement of faith, they are not shy about declaring their rejection of science.

Section 1: Priorities
1.The scientific aspects of creation are important, but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer, and Judge.
...
Section 2: Basics
1.The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
...
3.The account of origins presented in Genesis is a simple but factual presentation of actual events and therefore provides a reliable framework for scientific research into the question of the origin and history of life, mankind, the earth and the universe.
4.The various original life forms (kinds), including mankind, were made by direct creative acts of God. The living descendants of any of the original kinds (apart from man) may represent more than one species today, reflecting the genetic potential within the original kind. Only limited biological changes (including mutational deterioration) have occurred naturally within each kind since creation.
5.The great Flood of Genesis was an actual historic event, worldwide (global) in its extent and effect.
6.The special creation of Adam (the first man) and Eve (the first woman), and their subsequent fall into sin, is the basis for the necessity of salvation for mankind.
...
Section 4: General
1.Scripture teaches a recent origin for man and the whole creation, spanning approximately 4,000 years from creation to Christ.
2.The days in Genesis do not correspond to geologic ages, but are six [6] consecutive twenty-four [24] hour days of creation.
3.The Noachian Flood was a significant geological event and much (but not all) fossiliferous sediment originated at that time.
4.The gap theory has no basis in Scripture.
5.The view, commonly used to evade the implications or the authority of biblical teaching, that knowledge and/or truth may be divided into secular and religious, is rejected.
6.By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.


thesumofyourfears wrote:Nonetheless, as a former teacher, I can tell you that educational standards have dropped

I'm sure you did your bit to help.
September 28th, 2010, 10:54 am
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A Person wrote:
thesumofyourfears wrote:
A Person wrote:Summy digs himself deeper


demonstrate

From the way you add the emphasis on 'THEORY' as if that somehow implies anything about it's correctness.


I don't think we understand what each other is saying. When I stated that it was THEORY, you posted back and apparently rejected that it was a theory and I was illiterate. I came back with a couple of SECULAR sources, like UCA Berkley that states that it is a THEORY. You came back and said I dug myself a hole and I responded, to demonstrate. And you go off on a tangent. Are we on the same page? Explain yourself. When you call some one illiterate, you have lost your credibility.
September 28th, 2010, 11:01 am
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thesumofyourfears wrote: You seem to say Darwin's evolution THEORY encapsulates ALL scientific knowledge, which is simply not true.


Please explain your added emphasis on THEORY.

The rest of the statement is fatuous. Evolution does not encapsulate ALL scientific knowledge, however it is supported by, and Creationism is contradicted by, so many fields of science: biology, geology, physics, cosmology, astronomy etc.
September 28th, 2010, 11:10 am
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A Person wrote:
thesumofyourfears wrote: You seem to say Darwin's evolution THEORY encapsulates ALL scientific knowledge, which is simply not true.


Please explain your added emphasis on THEORY.

The rest of the statement is fatuous. Evolution does not encapsulate ALL scientific knowledge, however it is supported by, and Creationism is contradicted by, so many fields of science: biology, geology, physics, cosmology, astronomy etc.


A-Fraud, no point to go any further. Your are avoiding my questions. Furthermore, you lie about Palin's education which she has a B.S. degree from University of Idaho, 1987 and you and your cohorts in crime lie about/ accuse Limbaugh of being a racist on more than one occasion, while he as a black man as one of his call screeners for his show, demonstrates how informed you are. So, just stay in the basement of your parents house.
If Wikipedia can get it right, why can't you? Or does is she threatening to your elitist establishment?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
http://web.archive.org/web/200804171656 ... us/bio.php
Just stay in your parent's basement.
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September 28th, 2010, 12:41 pm
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thesumofyourfears
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I'm avoiding your questions? But I understand why you don't want to continue. You after all are a prime example of how religion and ideology are destroying America's science education. Why else would you refer science questions to Christian apologetics sites?

thesumofyourfears wrote:Furthermore, you lie about Palin's education which she has a B.S. degree from University of Idaho, 1987

I made no statement about Palin's level of education. Although a degree in journalism obtained after six years and five colleges is hardly impressive. Although she is full of BS, her degree is a BA in Journalism

Limbaugh of course has no education beyond high school. He tried college but flunked everything and dropped out. His racism is off topic since it has nothing to do with science education.

Hannity also flunked college, Glenn Beck never started. O'Connell scraped though a degree on literature, sex, drugs and satanism - after the University sued her for not paying her tuition bills.

But my point is not that they lack degrees, but that they promote ignorance by denying science and attacking 'elitism'. I don't expect politicians to be scientists (although it would make a nice change) but I do expect them to listen to experts who are. A degree in theology, politics, journalism, literature or law does not qualify you to reject the findings of the world's scientists because it contradicts your mythology or desires.
September 28th, 2010, 2:45 pm
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thesumofyourfears wrote:Nonetheless, as a former teacher...

Summy used to TEACH??!11!!??? :lol: :lol: :lol:

I bet standards actually ROSE after he left that gig. :think:
September 28th, 2010, 3:45 pm
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