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The original slogan sign at the entrance to Auschwitz prison in Poland was stolen last night. Of course, an awful lot of people are up in arms about it. Jewish authorities are totally ticked off, because they seem to consider the death camp sort of a holy place.

Myself, I'm upset over the theft, but not for the same reason. Regardless of the reason for pulling the sign down, the people who did this have destroyed an important piece of humanity's past. Not a piece that we should be particularly happy about. But it's important in any event.

IMO, anyone who damages a piece of historical importance is an agent of ignorance... and THAT is someone I believe is an enemy to all people.
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SouthernFriedInfidel wrote:The original slogan sign at the entrance to Auschwitz prison in Poland was stolen last night. Of course, an awful lot of people are up in arms about it. Jewish authorities are totally ticked off, because they seem to consider the death camp sort of a holy place.
Myself, I'm upset over the theft, but not for the same reason. Regardless of the reason for pulling the sign down, the people who did this have destroyed an important piece of humanity's past. Not a piece that we should be particularly happy about. But it's important in any event.
IMO, anyone who damages a piece of historical importance is an agent of ignorance... and THAT is someone I believe is an enemy to all people.

Oh my, SFI, I am having trouble understanding your attitude. Aushwitz viewed as a holy place? That is an ugly thing to say and about as false a statement as it is impossible to make. The Jews view Aushwitz as a symbol of pure evil, and as an important reminder of the terrible results of hatred of others who are different in some way. What Aushwitz represents is not merely the millions of Jews Hitler's minions murdered. It is equally a symbol of hatred of homosexuals, gypsies, black people, and any other types of people against whom the Germans were prejudiced. The GLBT community should be just as "ticked off" (as you put it) as Jewish authorities. Hitler systematically rounded up and deported to Aushwitz (and other concentration camps) people with alternative sexual orientations.
Hitler systematically rounded up educated white Christian people in Poland, France and other conquered countries and had them deported to concentration camps because he realized that educated people tend to be more tolerant of diversity—and might oppose his extermination of minorities—and that educated people were more likely to found opposition movements against his power.
Hitler systematically rounded up and sent to Aushwitz (and other concentration camps) people who had birth defects, people who were mentally ill or mentally handicapped, and people who were Gypsies or non white because he didn't want them adding to the gene pool.
Aushwitz a holy place? No. It is a reminder to all the people of the world that we must forever struggle against our human tendency to define those who are different from us as "subhuman" and without worth.
The people who should be outraged include anybody who fits into one or more of the categories of people Hitler tried to exterminate, or who perhaps loves somebody in one of those groups. People should be outraged, not that a “holy place” was desecrated. They should be outraged because one important reminder of our human nature and the need to fight against those who would ask us to forget or to downgrade the importance of what happened at Aushwitz was stolen.
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Not exactly something you could sell too easy I would think... maybe they wanted to make a political statement?
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December 18th, 2009, 12:18 pm
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Questioner wrote:Oh my, SFI, I am having trouble understanding your attitude. Auschwitz viewed as a holy place? That is an ugly thing to say and about as false a statement as it is impossible to make. The Jews view Auschwitz as a symbol of pure evil, and as an important reminder of the terrible results of hatred of others who are different in some way.


I do understand what SFI is saying. Christians revere and worship a symbol of evil torture and death as a Holy object. Torture and blood sacrifice is their highest symbol of redemption and salvation.

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As humans we mark places and symbols of evil with awe and reverence, more so than places of peace and love.

For Jews, Auschwitz was a turning point where anti semitism finally became tabu - not that it disappeared, but when it became unacceptable to endorse in societies than have any pretence to civilization and a more than symbolic end to centuries of official persecution.
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Questioner wrote:Oh my, SFI, I am having trouble understanding your attitude. Aushwitz viewed as a holy place? That is an ugly thing to say and about as false a statement as it is impossible to make.

I meant "holy" in the wider sense of being separated and set apart for religious purposes. Is this inaccurate? I certainly did not mean to denigrate the Jewish people or the victims of the horrors of the war. But I do not think that the Jews should feel that it is their special property. The Holocaust was a human loss, and all people should consider it an important part of our heritage with lessons for all time.

I hope that clarifies my view for you and anyone else who mistook my view of this news item. I tried to make it clear through my initial post... but some folks tend to get hung up on words used in unfamiliar contexts, I guess.

My apologies.
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Liv wrote:Not exactly something you could sell too easy I would think... maybe they wanted to make a political statement?

Well, that's always a problem, making symbolic actions, rather than actually saying what's on one's mind. As a political statement, the removal of an important historical artifact has a myriad of potential meanings, only ONE of which was most likely the one intended. So if that was the intent, it utterly failed.

My guess is that it was done by some skinhead punks who want to play Hitler Followers out in the Polish woods, using the sign as a backdrop. I sure hope they get caught and properly punished. Regardless of their true motive, they're criminals and hardly the heroes they probably see themselves as.
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Interesting story on the sign... it's been recovered. From "common thieves." After they chopped it into 3 pieces. Speculation about whether some neo-Nazi group ordered the theft, or some wealthy memorabilia collector was after it remains to be seen. Regardless... it's a bloody shame that this piece of history was removed. I hope it can be restored to a more or less intact state.
December 21st, 2009, 8:54 am
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If it's only 3 pieces I'd think they can make it better than new. Maybe even put a nice powder coating on it, and install a cctv....
December 21st, 2009, 9:11 am
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Liv wrote:If it's only 3 pieces I'd think they can make it better than new. Maybe even put a nice powder coating on it, and install a cctv....

Well, you know, the first story I read on this said that they had security cameras on the area, and they were reviewing the tapes. Seems that the problem was that these folks took the sign while any security operators weren't paying attention to the camera feeds.

I know that feeling -- it happened to me once when I was a security guard. It sucks.
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